Chris Cavallini: From Troubled Youth to Forbes-Featured Fitness Entrepreneur (Part 2)
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Chris Cavallini: From Troubled Youth to Forbes-Featured Fitness Entrepreneur (Part 2)

The episode begins with an introduction to guest Chris Cavalini, who discusses striving to be the best version of oneself. Chris delves into leadership, team empowerment, and setting standards. He shares insights on handling technical errors and demonstrating commitment to clients and team. The conversation touches on the Optimizers program, potential partnerships, and building community. Celebrating success, the mindset of gratitude, and the importance of presence are explored. The episode covers accountability, growth mindset, and neuroplasticity in habit formation. (0:00) Introduction and guest introduction: Chris Cavalini on being the best version of oneself (2:09) Chris Cavalini on leadership, team empowerment, and setting standards (5:21) Handling technical errors and demonstrating commitment to clients and team (8:14) Optimizers program, potential partnership, and building community (11:19) Celebrating success, mindset of gratitude, and the importance of presence (17:12) Sponsor: Nuticious optimized superfood nutrition (17:45) Accountability, growth mindset, and neuroplasticity in habit formation (21:46) Addressing depression, taking corrective action, and using children as motivation (25:15) Maintaining longevity, metabolic flexibility, and the benefits of functional training (28:23) Testosterone therapy, its impact, and the societal consequences of low levels (31:45) Exercise, nutrition, sex drive's role in well-being, and decline in sexual activity (38:46) Big pharma's influence and what it means to live a 'full fueled' life (40:55) Closing remarks, where to find Chris Cavalini, and outro by Dr. Alfred Alessi (42:10) Announcing next week's guest and thanking sponsors (44:30) Sneak peek into upcoming episodes and final sign-off

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For me, it's just about getting up every day and trying to be the absolute best version of

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myself, doing my best, doing my actual best, which is going to until I'm getting my comfort

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zone often.

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I find that the easiest way to kinda change things up and venture out of one's comfort zone

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because even even for me, even though I do things every day, they're really uncomfortable

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and considered to be uncomfortable for normal people.

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After you do something for a certain period of time, eventually, you kinda get used to it.

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It gets a little comfortable.

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But the easiest thing I think people can do.

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And the easiest thing that I do that basically helps condition my mind to be okay with change

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and a brace change is constantly changing up my fitness.

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What's up, man?

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What was going on?

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To full fueled.

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It's good to be here.

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It's your host, Doctor Alfred Lessi and Matt Tack.

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And we have a very special guest today.

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A rock star, actually.

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Someone who fits exactly into our culture and the message that we're trying to spread, human

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optimization Chris Cavalini is a former navy diver, a Forbes featured entrepreneur, the CEO,

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and founder of nutrition solutions, a premier healthy meal delivery service and the host of

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the personal development podcast, the start today podcast.

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Chris also has a peak performance coaching business for men.

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His clientele include elite pro athletes, WWE Superstars, entrepreneurs, and driven men who

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want to dominate in each of the primary human metrics, body, mindset, money, and life.

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Chris's goal and what he believes to be his destiny in life is to help people produce

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positive, lasting change, and become the upgraded versions of themselves.

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He spends his days educating, coaching, and mentoring others so they can experience the

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same.

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Chris has battled extreme adversity hardship and discomfort that has led him to be where he

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is today.

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He's here to help you and everyone to learn how to become comfortable being uncomfortable.

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Man, so you've just created such an awesome culture.

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And I think if you had to say, I'm gonna put mouth and you can obviously correct me, but,

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like, your culture is why you're successful that you've created in this business.

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Like, 100% was weakness or excuses or any of that, you would not be where you are today.

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It's I demand high level.

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I'm not an operator anymore.

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So I'm not I'm not at nutrition solutions every day.

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Yeah.

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I have an amazing team in place that I trust that I've trained that understand what to do.

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They they know what to do.

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Regardless if I tell them what to do or not.

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Every time.

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No.

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Of of course not.

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And and, you know, for a lot of years, it was like that.

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Of course, But as you grow, things need to change.

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I mean, things cannot change or think you can't grow without change.

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Right.

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A lot of times people want change, but they don't want to change.

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Care of it.

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Yeah.

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And one

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of the things that, you know, I started to do, back in 2016 when I started to really

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prioritize culture and the development of my team is just giving ownership to people, giving

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people ownership basically empowering them to make decisions on their own, obviously, with

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certain parameters.

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Right?

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But once I started to do that, everything started to change.

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We started to go a lot further faster.

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Yeah.

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You know, people, not only that, they were taking more pride in their job.

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They felt like, wow.

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Like, okay, I'm this is this is mine.

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I'm I own this.

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Yeah.

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And and when people have a sense of ownership, they tend to take a a a great deal of pride in

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whatever that task or whatever that responsibility is.

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Yeah.

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That's a that's I'm glad you said that because I think for me and, you know, with us trying to

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hire and and eventually down the line having to hire more to as we grow, I, by nature, am kind

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of a control freak.

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I'm like, I know that this works.

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I like it done this way.

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It's worked this way.

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Somebody comes in.

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I try to, like, micromanage them too much.

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So that's definitely something I I need to work on and continue.

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But

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Yeah.

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I don't think I don't think that it's I don't think that that's a bad thing if if if, I mean,

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look, if you're the guy and you have high standards and you want things to be a certain

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way.

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I think that that's completely fine.

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I think it's just a matter of ensuring that the people that you bring in understand what the

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standard is.

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Yeah.

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They clearly understand what success entails and what success looks like to you, and then

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they can act in accordance with it.

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Like, I I if if if I want something done, at nutrition solutions or if if something needs to

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get done, I am going to talk to my tenants.

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I'm like, look, here's what I want to happen.

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You guys figure out how to make it happen.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And Yeah.

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They typically do.

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And sometimes, I mean, most times, they'll do it a lot better if I than if I otherwise did it

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on my own.

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But, of course, there's always going to be times where maybe it wasn't as good as if I

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would have done it on my own.

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Yeah.

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But it's good enough.

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It's good enough.

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70%.

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Yeah.

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That's the stat.

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That's right.

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If you can find somebody who will do something, 70% as good as you would.

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Treat that person well.

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Take care of that person because nobody's ever gonna care nearly as much as you we would like

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them to we would like to think that they would.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But nobody is going to be as invested.

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Right.

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But 70%.

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I mean, you know, when we think 70%, we think, oh, that's kinda like average.

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Right?

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C minus.

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But as it relates to this, you just have to think how much faster.

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You're going to be able to

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Yeah.

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Ascend if you have a bunch of hitters making decisions.

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You guys are caught only just fucking making moves constantly making shit happen constantly

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moving the needle.

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That's huge.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of culture because

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you're nominal storyteller.

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I love the

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I love your stories.

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But there was an incident where you had a technical error, and a bunch of orders got

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messed up.

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How did you hear about Yeah.

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I I so, obviously, before this, I wanted to get prepared and kinda have a little background.

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I read about it on a an article, something in the system.

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Yeah.

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And a bunch of

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people got wrong order and you freaking ate probably a ton of money on that, but you made

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the you made it right.

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You did the right thing.

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Tell us what will happen, man.

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Man.

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If

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if you don't wanna talk about it.

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No.

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I don't I don't know.

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I it's been a long time since I told the story, but, yeah, I think that was, that was either in

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2016 or 2017.

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And I think it maybe at that point, we were using spreadsheets or some shit.

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Some sort of archaic ancient technology.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That we should have been utilizing.

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And basically, yeah, we had hundreds of orders basically be assembled and sent out incorrect.

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Think of it like this.

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Think like a spreadsheet rehab.

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Let's see.

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You have, 400 names on the spreadsheet.

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And All the names stay in the same column, but all of the information moves down 1.

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Oh, yeah.

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Basically like that.

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So, basically, yeah.

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And Exaggerate.

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And then, honestly, yeah, that cost, I mean, that cost a lot.

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I mean, I I don't I don't recall tens of 1000 of dollars, certainly.

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But, yeah, we we I wanted to make it right because, you know, our clients rely on us and

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depend on us and invest in our service to help them streamline the process of getting in the

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best shape of their life.

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And this is a responsibility I take very seriously, and I want my team to take it

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seriously as well.

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And and, you know, during that time, we were just starting to create the culture and create

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the core values within the culture.

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And it's important that you know, when you have a a culture and you have core values, you have

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a mission statement.

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Mhmm.

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You know, the core values aren't just on the wall.

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The mission statement isn't just something you talk about once in a while.

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But, you know, you speak in terms of the core values.

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And, you know, help people is one of our, core values as is take initiative.

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And I just saw what was happening there as as an opportunity.

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It's like, look, it it can't get any worse than this other than other than us not making this

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right

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Right.

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And losing the trust completely of all of these people.

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Yeah.

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And, basically, we just deployed teams all throughout the state of Florida to do

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redeliveries.

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We brought a team in.

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They worked for 36 hours straight to get all of the orders prepared.

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Yeah.

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And then we basically deployed people all throughout the state of Florida to do home

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deliveries.

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Absolutely crazy.

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Super fucking inefficient.

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Looking back on it, looking back on it, like, would there have been a better way to handle

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that perhaps?

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But at the time, did what you had to do.

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I did what I thought was the right thing to do.

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It was the right thing to do.

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I mean, you saved your trust, your reputation, but, like, the impact that you made on your

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team.

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That that was they saw

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that and were like, this is the guy.

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That was the that was the biggest thing I think is the team saw how serious I was and how

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committed I was to our clients and to our

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Yeah.

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And, you know, once they see that, then, you know, they're gonna buy in a little more.

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Right?

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They're gonna start acting in a little more in accordance with that.

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So any opportunity that you can have to, demonstrate, you know, to your team, to your

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clients, to anyone that you give a shit, I certainly think Yeah.

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Should be explored.

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Yeah.

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Set a standard.

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I love

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it.

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We actually run a program, a coaching program similar to, like, what you do.

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We lead guys through optimization.

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It's called the optimizers program.

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And it's, you know, trying to touch on everything, fitness, mindset, nutrition.

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We just make it super easy for them to get great results if they're busy, whatever it

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might be.

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Is that kinda like what you're you're doing with your coaching program as well?

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So my coaching programs, high level coachings, $50 for the year paid in full.

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I'm dealing with at that price point.

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Obviously, same dealing with people who already established.

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High level guys.

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Yeah.

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Higher level guys.

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And, yeah, we we there's a multitude of things that we walk them through.

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It depends on their industry depends on what their goals are, but it it always comes down to

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the, you know, the main pillars, right, like fitness, finance, family.

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Yeah.

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So we basically, iron out, yeah, the dilemma across the board with all that.

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And, you know, the good part about, you know, where I'm at is I'm very fortunate that the

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people that I work with, their high level people who want to do better.

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So I don't really I I don't, and and they're heavily invested in the process.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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So there's very minimal resist There's very minimal resistance, which is fantastic because

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it allows me to help them get results quickly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's great.

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I think and we're talking about this.

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We'd love to, like, partner up with the with the meals for this program too.

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Because we help them through, we run full blood panel at the beginning.

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Then we get them optimized nutrition supplementation, but it's more of like a meal

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guide plan.

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Sure.

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Not so much.

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Like, here's your meals.

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Yeah.

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So that might be some down the line, man, that you could help us with because we'd love to,

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fine tune as much as possible.

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Yeah, man.

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This is one thing that I think, that you've really done really well too, not only within

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organization, but obviously, outside.

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So disability of, like, I feel like may you might have different take on this, but the

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desperate need for community Like, I think people gravitate towards that.

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I think you were saying, you even find that within your organization through that level of

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resistance of working out.

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There's more a galvanized community in that.

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Take us through in terms of how you're building your brand, how you're building maybe even

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community around your brand right now.

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Is that something you're proud of?

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I know that it's it's awesome, obviously, following you and and your story.

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So

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Yeah.

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I think the people that we surround ourselves with.

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I mean, I don't think I know who we surround ourselves with influences or standards.

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The people in your life are either objectively making your life better or making your life

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worse.

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Yeah.

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We all have heard the saying, you know, we're the some of the five people we spend the most

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time with.

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Everybody's heard that.

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Yet most people are still hanging out with fucking losers.

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Right?

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It'll change it.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, so being around the right people, is important.

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And and and and a lot of times people DM me and they say, look, you know, I re always hear you

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talking about the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people and and and and

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surrounding yourself, people who are driven, who are disciplined, who are, you know, wanna

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succeed and and all that.

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Like, how do I do that?

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Mhmm.

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It's like, look, if you're a low value person currently Mhmm.

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Okay, you can't do that.

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You can't just because, look, high achievers don't wanna hang around with low performers.

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And oftentimes, low performers don't like being around high achievers because it makes them

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feel a bit uncomfortable.

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But if you're starting out and you're looking to kind of, you know, create a network and, you

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know, start being around people who can, you know, who who are driven, who are hungry, who

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are disciplined, who wanna win, who wanna see you fucking win, the best thing that you can do

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is actually become that person yourself.

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Yeah.

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Become that person yourself.

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Create the identity of that person.

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And then once you actually are that person, you'll start attracting people who are like

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minded and have similar interests.

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Yeah.

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A lot of really successful people talk about that.

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They're like, I started by emulating this person that I, you know, was doing what I

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wanted to do.

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Yeah.

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Like, I just became, like, second version of, like, their their journey.

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You

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know what?

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You know what's interesting about that too?

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Is, like, I'll be honest with you, man.

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I used to be that person that was like, oh, man, I wanna be there, but, like, you kinda

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talk shit about that person.

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Right?

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And then I'm like, dude, I gotta retrain that mind of thought, dude, the great job.

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Like, you wanna empower people as they're winning because, dude, when I'm coming up, I

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want people to empower me.

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And I

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was like, I don't wanna be that So I've literally had to, you know, I think over the

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past 10 years, how I want my marriage, how I wanna steward my kids and and set a standard in

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my household instead of standard in my business.

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Dude, I gotta be speaking that into life.

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Yeah.

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And so as people are winning, I'm like, dude, Like, I wanna lift you up.

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Oh, dude.

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Good job, man.

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Good shit.

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Let's keep going.

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Yeah.

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I love winning.

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I love celebrating the wins of other people no matter how big or small.

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Yeah.

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Every day, I wake up in the morning.

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I have a gratitude jar that I write a little message, and there's something I'm grateful

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for.

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And this morning, it was for my stairmaster.

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But it's it's it's for basic things that, you know, grateful for this person.

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I'm grateful for you guys inviting me on here.

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Like,

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thanks for coming.

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But being in that mindset of gratitude and and and being in that just constant state of just

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positivity is going to help you circumvent and, again, force the result of creating more wins.

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Mhmm.

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And just being intentional about it, being intentional, and the the a very simple way that

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you can be intentional about attracting more wins into your life is celebrating the wins of

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other people.

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Yeah.

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Be happy for people when you see them succeed.

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Be happy If you see somebody that has made some progress in some area, compliment that person.

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Let them know.

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Because your kind words, I mean, ultimately be the catalyst that keeps them going.

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Yeah.

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You know, maybe maybe they're about to quit.

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Maybe they don't see But, like, little things like that, I I think make a a a massive massive

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difference in your quality of life and your mindset, just your ability to create the

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reality that, you know, you want, which, I mean, people watching this, hopefully, the

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reality you want entails endless wins.

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Yeah.

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And you're saying that made me think, like, I this is something I've definitely changed, but

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I used to be, like, competitive with other people that were in the same kind of space, but

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it's like, you can all win.

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We can all win.

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There's, plenty of of wids out there.

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Right?

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It's not like, like, by somebody else doing well, that lowers the amount of, like, success

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you can have.

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You can.

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It's abundance.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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That scarcity mindset, shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And and and look, from somebody who lived in a scarcity, a place of scarcity and had a

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scarcity mindset.

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The majority of my life I can speak very closely to that fact.

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A victim mindset is the most unattractive quality that you can have.

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And not only that, it is the most detrimental to your own existence.

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When you make yourself a victim, you forfeit your ability to grow and you make it

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effectively impossible to experience happiness because you're a victim.

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If you're a victim, how can you be happy?

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If you're a victim, how can you grow?

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Yeah.

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You know, people have a victim mindset.

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They focus on excuses and reasons to quit as opposed to solutions.

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And they complain about everything.

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Nothing in their mind.

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Nothing is their fault.

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And there's one thing that everybody who has a victim mindset, has in common.

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Every single person on this planet who has a victim mindset isn't aware that they have a

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victim mindset.

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Called out, man.

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Until And and and and Until you are.

00:16:30
I, I learned, that book that I've actually shared at the beginning of this change of

00:16:34
thinking, change your life.

00:16:36
I remember I was reading a chapter in there and just something.

00:16:39
It just hit me like a ton of bricks, and it just made me realize holy shit.

00:16:43
I actually have a Vic.

00:16:45
I'm like, I felt like this guy was, like, wrote this book for me.

00:16:48
A victim mindset is something everybody needs to be aware of.

00:16:52
Obviously, there's varying degrees of victim mindset, but any trace of victim mindset

00:16:59
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00:17:03
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Yeah.

00:17:45
Yeah.

00:17:45
One thing about you though, and I can I I can honestly feel it?

00:17:49
When we even reached out to you, like, there's this element that I brought up in, the last

00:17:55
podcast we had, but, like, there's this complete presence about somebody.

00:17:59
Right?

00:17:59
And that's where I think Joy lies is, like, our mind can be operating in the future.

00:18:03
And I think that when you're in a growth mode, you you wanna go there all the time.

00:18:07
I wanna go there.

00:18:08
I wanna go there.

00:18:09
And then the victim is that, like, you're living in the past.

00:18:12
Correct.

00:18:12
But then there's this sweet spot right in the presence, right, when you're reading that book

00:18:16
and you're like, dude, this is for me.

00:18:19
And, I get that from you, man.

00:18:21
I just get, like, complete presence.

00:18:23
And you, you've given our time and Thank you very.

00:18:25
Very grateful.

00:18:26
Thank you.

00:18:26
And I also, you know, going along to, like, the surround yourself with people.

00:18:30
That's who you become kind of thing.

00:18:31
It's the community is or your accountability is is from your the people close to you as well.

00:18:35
Like, for example, like, Matt, one of my best friends, will call me out on stuff.

00:18:39
And, like, I'm not gonna internalize all the time and, like, want to to hear that.

00:18:43
Right?

00:18:43
It's that's probably the hardest thing when it comes to, like, getting out of that victim

00:18:46
thing is, like, being like, damn, I am in a victim.

00:18:48
Yeah.

00:18:49
People don't wanna, like, have the hard conversation with themself.

00:18:52
So you have a close person say it to you.

00:18:53
You're like, shit.

00:18:54
That's really important to know that.

00:18:55
That's really important that you said that because there are times.

00:18:59
I I I like, it is our it's in our biology.

00:19:02
I mean, we're biologically evolved to seek out the path of least resistance.

00:19:04
100%.

00:19:04
Right?

00:19:09
So, you know, with that said, that means change is difficult.

00:19:12
The reason change is difficult is because it requires a tremendous of energy.

00:19:16
You have these neuro pathways in your brain that have been created over the course of time

00:19:22
because you've done things a certain way.

00:19:23
So if you begin to change your behavior, even though that change is a positive thing, it's

00:19:30
going to come with a bit of resistance.

00:19:32
I think the best thing that anybody can do when they're looking to make any sort of meaningful

00:19:37
changes in their life, whether it's with their fitness, whether it's with their finance, with

00:19:41
their career, their family is immerse yourself in personal development and do everything in

00:19:48
your power to cultivate a growth mindset.

00:19:48
That's right.

00:19:48
Because a growth mindset is I I mean, it's the key to endless prosperity.

00:19:58
It's the key to waking up every day in a state of gratitude, right, because from my

00:20:03
experience, I've learned that it's fundamentally impossible to create more or get

00:20:13
more if you're not actually grateful for what you currently have.

00:20:16
Yeah.

00:20:17
And it took me a long it took me a long time to to to figure that out.

00:20:20
But once I did figure it out, it it sped up the process quite a bit.

00:20:25
Yeah.

00:20:25
Yeah.

00:20:25
Yeah.

00:20:25
I think, you

00:20:28
know, I I I demonstrate it where it's like, there's a small degree of separation between

00:20:34
you and me, although you might be slightly better looking than

00:20:37
me.

00:20:37
Thank you.

00:20:38
The, they're, but the habit formation of an individual.

00:20:42
Yeah.

00:20:43
Slight degree of separation.

00:20:44
And when you choose to create that level of curiosity and that growth mindset, what I love,

00:20:50
you what you hit on neural pathways.

00:20:52
It's like, We all have these, like, the neuroplasticity within us to create, you know,

00:20:57
these firings of those neuro the hedonic hots Yeah.

00:21:00
They call them.

00:21:01
And when those things start firing off, you have more engines in your brain going.

00:21:05
Yeah.

00:21:06
And you're naturally recreating the cerebral cortex.

00:21:09
There's also this little thing in the brain called the basil ganglia.

00:21:12
That's the motor neuron that basically gets you moving.

00:21:15
But you have the choice whether to start moving that thing or not.

00:21:19
Correct.

00:21:19
That's gonna fire all these other things off.

00:21:22
When you choose to do that, you you maybe start reading faster.

00:21:26
You start learning, like, I'm working on Spanish, and I'm picking up on different, you

00:21:29
know, another language that have been in the past couple of years.

00:21:32
So there's these small things, but, like, it's a choice, right, that creates that, that

00:21:37
creates that momentum.

00:21:39
And then you're just, again, in that in that present of life.

00:21:41
So Yeah.

00:21:42
I don't wanna be on here preachy telling people what they should do.

00:21:46
Yeah.

00:21:46
Yeah.

00:21:46
Yeah.

00:21:46
I think though that there's a lot of people that are depressed.

00:21:51
A lot of people that are discontent.

00:21:53
A lot of people that are sad and feeling sorry for themselves.

00:21:55
And I think feeling sorry for yourself and being sad is a complete fucking waste of Okay.

00:22:00
You're either content where you are or you're savagely pissed off to change it.

00:22:04
Mhmm.

00:22:04
And at the end of the day, you know, the the the reality of it is we weren't put on this

00:22:11
planet to be stagnant.

00:22:13
Yeah.

00:22:13
Stagnation

00:22:14
That's right.

00:22:15
Is going to result in feelings of depression or hopelessness, just in general, dissatisfaction

00:22:21
with your

00:22:22
Yeah.

00:22:22
Quality of life.

00:22:23
So I think the the easiest way to live a fruitful abundant existence is just to be

00:22:31
intentional with making progress.

00:22:33
You don't have to be as intentional as me.

00:22:34
Like, I mean, I sometimes shit that I do and the standards that I have I could probably come

00:22:40
off as a, like, come across like a psycho to the uninitiated.

00:22:44
What you need, though.

00:22:45
Yeah.

00:22:45
But at the end of the day, you know, people just need to take the feedback.

00:22:49
Right?

00:22:49
You know, feeling like shit is actually a good thing.

00:22:52
If you're not feeling very good at any given time, it's a good thing.

00:22:56
That is a biological trigger that is trying to communicate to you.

00:23:00
That's something that you're doing or not doing is out of alignment with who you are.

00:23:03
So we gotta take that feedback and we have to take corrective action accordingly.

00:23:07
If you want things to be different, you have to force the result.

00:23:10
You don't just deserve to wake up and feel good every day.

00:23:13
Yeah.

00:23:13
I mean, I I I wish that wasn't the case.

00:23:15
I didn't I didn't make that rule.

00:23:17
Yeah.

00:23:17
You know, that wasn't my that was my decision.

00:23:19
Yeah.

00:23:19
You don't deserve to feel good.

00:23:21
Yeah.

00:23:21
You deserve what you deserve.

00:23:23
And if if you're doing things that are gonna result in you feeling good, then that's where

00:23:31
you need to be, but too many people I think are, you know, dissatisfied with their quality

00:23:36
of life, but they're not actively doing anything to bridge the gap between where they

00:23:42
are and where they wanna be.

00:23:43
Mhmm.

00:23:44
And, you know, the the thing is, man, like, anybody who's hearing regardless of 20 years

00:23:48
from now, you give anything to be this age again, right, to be this healthy, have this

00:23:53
much energy, and have this much time in your hands.

00:23:55
Yeah.

00:23:55
So, you know, the time to step up and go do some protagonist shit is now.

00:24:00
Yeah.

00:24:01
That's right.

00:24:01
You're the only one holding yourself back.

00:24:03
Right?

00:24:03
I mean, like Yeah.

00:24:04
And that's the whole victim thing we just talked about.

00:24:06
You start blaming other people.

00:24:07
Well, if it wasn't for my kids and my wife and you I've heard you talk about this before.

00:24:10
Yeah.

00:24:10
I think

00:24:11
it that shit can't hold you back.

00:24:12
Right?

00:24:12
No.

00:24:13
Not that's I think using your kids as an excuse is the most dishonorable thing that you can do.

00:24:19
Yeah.

00:24:20
Especially as a man.

00:24:22
You know, I I don't wanna, obviously, men and women are different.

00:24:25
Usually, my message is directed towards men, but using your kids as an excuse to justify

00:24:32
being a fat pure gut man tit having, you know, every motherfucker, like, I think I think it's,

00:24:41
I think it's it's bullshit.

00:24:42
I also think being fat is disrespectful to god.

00:24:45
I honestly believe that your kids should be the excuse as to why you have to be the strongest

00:24:53
fittest, most capable version of

00:24:54
yourself.

00:24:55
Yeah.

00:24:55
So, again, I I think difference between a victim mindset and growth mindset.

00:24:59
A victim minded individuals.

00:25:01
Oh, my kids and the time and soccer practice, etcetera.

00:25:04
Growth minded person, like, no.

00:25:05
Well, these kids are the the spark, the fuel, the motivation to get me up and get me moving

00:25:11
on the days that I don't fucking feel like it, because I have to be the best version for

00:25:15
themselves.

00:25:15
I have to be the best provider that I can be for them, and I have to set the best example.

00:25:21
Mhmm.

00:25:21
But, you know, if you think about it as far as, like, when when I turned, like, 14, 15 and I

00:25:26
started being able to, like, beat my dad in, like, a in, like, basketball or something and,

00:25:30
like,

00:25:30
That probably pissed him off.

00:25:31
And I got 2 boys.

00:25:32
I got twin boys.

00:25:33
And I'm like, I wanna delay that for as long as I can, they freaking beaten me ever.

00:25:37
You know what I mean?

00:25:38
I wanna be 85 and don't on them.

00:25:40
Right?

00:25:40
And that's an example for them that, like like, you gotta live hard man.

00:25:44
You gotta live yourself.

00:25:46
Live your life to this, the standard that, like you said and you said, man, and and we all are

00:25:50
kinda preaching on this episode.

00:25:51
Yeah.

00:25:52
I think it's it's all about a standard talking just a few minutes because I I really kinda

00:25:56
wanna dial in.

00:25:57
Sure.

00:25:58
As far as what you're doing in longevity, obviously, you said you're 41 now.

00:26:03
I'm 38.

00:26:04
I'm going into some things.

00:26:05
I'm actually so I went on a 1st cycle of peptides.

00:26:09
I'm thinking of other things to kind of promote the, my metabolic flexibility later in life

00:26:15
where I'm constantly improving.

00:26:16
I've had red light sauna where I'm going into the cold plunge.

00:26:20
I have those as steadies, that I like putting myself into an uncomfortable environment.

00:26:25
But what are the things that you're doing?

00:26:27
From an entrepreneurship, you obviously live a really busy lifestyle.

00:26:31
Maybe not busy, I would say more productive lifestyle.

00:26:33
Right.

00:26:33
I like a

00:26:34
little bit better.

00:26:35
Active.

00:26:35
Active lifestyle.

00:26:36
What are you, what are you doing to most optimally, create longevity within your

00:26:42
lifestyle?

00:26:43
I mean, honestly, the the the the main things is I I train very hard.

00:26:46
I train very hard often.

00:26:50
In the gym 6 days a week, I would say 3 out of the 6 workouts are at a very high level of a

00:26:57
density.

00:27:00
Because I I I don't rest.

00:27:02
I go from one exercise to the other and do it in circus, and I love training like that.

00:27:08
Because when you're training like that, you know, not only and I'm doing a lot of athletic

00:27:13
movements and functional movements, it gives you a more aesthetic physique than just

00:27:18
throwing weights around.

00:27:18
Waits are good, of course, and I do and I do lift weights.

00:27:21
But training like that, you know, it's gonna get your heart rate up.

00:27:24
And it's like a active form of meditation because honors.

00:27:28
You can't think of whatever problem you have going on or whatever thing you were stressed

00:27:33
out about before you work out.

00:27:34
You were just trying to make it through that next exercise and get through that next

00:27:39
repetition.

00:27:39
Yeah.

00:27:40
And and and breathing.

00:27:40
And that's that's the other, massively important element of the way that I train.

00:27:45
I think breath work is one of the most underrated life hacks that there is.

00:27:51
And on 2019, I started to do breath work.

00:27:54
I went on a 4 day Ayahuasca retreat.

00:27:56
And part of the curriculum was breath work.

00:28:00
So I got turned on to it in that regard.

00:28:03
But when I train that way, I'm breathing so hard the entire time.

00:28:07
And the reason I feel so good after the fact I believe is because of the the oxygen that I'm

00:28:13
taking in and and the increase in my respiratory rate.

00:28:16
So there's so many benefits to high intensity training.

00:28:20
Not to be confused with high intensity interval training.

00:28:22
Mhmm.

00:28:22
Right?

00:28:23
High intensity functional training.

00:28:24
Like I said, I do, but sauna, the cold plunge, my diet's clean.

00:28:27
I've been taking testosterone.

00:28:31
Well, I've I've, I mean, obviously, I've sold steroids for many years, and I've done a lot.

00:28:35
I've done a lot of cycles.

00:28:37
Throughout my, throughout my lifetime.

00:28:40
Certainly.

00:28:41
Yeah.

00:28:42
For the last 4 years, I have been prescribed testosterone.

00:28:47
I take 200 milligrams of sipping 8 every week.

00:28:50
Actually, 180 milligrams.

00:28:51
Okay.

00:28:52
Say 200 because that's the number most people associate.

00:28:54
Yeah.

00:28:55
I don't think that at this stage of my life, you know, doing, like, full blast steroid

00:29:01
cycles is going to add any value.

00:29:03
Yeah.

00:29:03
Yeah.

00:29:04
You know, when you're young and you're stupid and you're unaware, but, you know, now that I

00:29:07
get blood work done quarterly, like, you know, I'm measuring every area of my life that I'm

00:29:12
looking to improve.

00:29:12
I measure.

00:29:13
So I'm getting quarterly blood work.

00:29:15
And if I'm, you know, doing a a full blast cycle when I see my markers are out, that's I

00:29:19
don't I don't want, you know, I don't I don't wanna have to deal with that.

00:29:22
So it's almost like, an accountability measure, but not to say that I want ever again,

00:29:26
because safety.

00:29:27
I mean, you You know that.

00:29:28
Right?

00:29:28
It can be done safely if you're not an idiot and you understand what you're doing and and

00:29:32
and you recognize that more is not better.

00:29:36
Yeah.

00:29:36
Because more

00:29:37
product too.

00:29:38
Right?

00:29:38
More is not better.

00:29:39
Yeah.

00:29:39
But, but yet testosterone, I think, is is is amazing.

00:29:42
Testosterone is a man's most powerful weapon.

00:29:44
It is literally what makes a man to man.

00:29:47
I think testosterone, lack thereof is a huge problem plaguing our society, I think.

00:29:52
Absolutely.

00:29:53
Look, I don't think that it can be contested.

00:29:55
The times have changed, and we are living through a period of human history where there's

00:30:01
just a lot of weak people.

00:30:03
You know, World War 2, we had 15, 16, and 7 year old boys who lied about their age that

00:30:08
they could go across the world and kill Nazis.

00:30:11
In 2024, we have young boys that think they're girls, and we have grown men that are lying

00:30:15
about their gender.

00:30:19
So they could compete in women's sports.

00:30:21
We come a long way, bro.

00:30:23
That's

00:30:23
Yeah.

00:30:23
So so and I think a lot of that has to do with just the this epidemic of low testosterone.

00:30:29
Yeah.

00:30:30
Yeah.

00:30:30
You don't there's nothing that influences, testosterone production more than your

00:30:35
livestock.

00:30:36
Choices in your diet, your exercise.

00:30:38
And the the thing is a lot of people don't exercise.

00:30:40
79% of the population get 0 exercise.

00:30:45
That's insane.

00:30:45
I heard 90% of every if you want to turn 30, that will that will never 90% of the population

00:30:52
think it was domestically in the United States will never get themselves out of breath again.

00:30:56
Yeah.

00:30:56
That's crazy.

00:30:57
Intentionally.

00:30:57
That's insane.

00:30:59
Yeah.

00:30:59
So the issue with that I mean, look, nobody here's ever seen a really old fat person.

00:31:05
And I don't think anybody ever thinks about that, especially in our in in in in in, you

00:31:10
know, thirties, even your forties,

00:31:12
but doesn't make it that long.

00:31:13
Yeah.

00:31:13
No.

00:31:14
You don't you don't make it that long.

00:31:15
You've never seen a a, like, an an obese old person.

00:31:19
It just doesn't happen.

00:31:20
And training is important.

00:31:22
And I think a lot of the times that people's biggest you know, I don't have time.

00:31:27
Right?

00:31:27
I don't have time.

00:31:28
I'm busy.

00:31:29
But a big one that people say is I don't have the energy.

00:31:32
And I understand that because if you were if you're fueling yourself the steadfast diet of

00:31:38
McDonald's, you don't An argument is.

00:31:40
Yeah.

00:31:41
Right.

00:31:41
Right.

00:31:42
If you're consume consuming the standard American diet, you will literally not have

00:31:46
energy to workouts.

00:31:47
People say you don't feel like it will start eating better.

00:31:51
Start eating better, not so you can, you know, get in the gym and train But so you can live a

00:31:57
life that's actually worth living.

00:31:59
Mhmm.

00:31:59
Yeah.

00:32:00
Yeah.

00:32:00
And I, like, going to the we talked we had Jay Campbell on the show who's actually how we

00:32:04
connected.

00:32:05
He talks all about testosterone optimization.

00:32:08
And I myself, I'm only 32, and it's not like my testosterone was low, but I was like, man, I

00:32:12
wanna optimize And so I got on, and clomethine, which is basically like a like a synthetic

00:32:17
Clomet.

00:32:18
I know what it is.

00:32:18
Yeah.

00:32:19
So it basically tells your body to produce testosterone, but I'm probably next what, you

00:32:23
know, when I when I finish this dose, I'm probably gonna just get on TRT and get on a

00:32:26
dose that's appropriate for my age and run through a doctor.

00:32:29
Right?

00:32:30
The way that it should be, but that's so I can live optimally.

00:32:33
Right?

00:32:33
I'm not trying to hack, like, anything crazy, but I just want I love the way I feel when I

00:32:37
have that hired testosterone And it's just Yeah.

00:32:39
Having high testosterone is important, and it's going to measurably improve every metric of a

00:32:44
man's life.

00:32:45
100%.

00:32:46
It's going to improve your energy, your mood, your attitude, right, your performance.

00:32:51
Yeah.

00:32:52
The manner of which you great, you are you age your sex drive.

00:32:55
Yeah.

00:32:56
Mhmm.

00:32:56
The sex drive is one that is not talked about, very much.

00:32:59
And, you know, you guys are, a bit younger.

00:33:02
I'm sure your audience is around the same age, but as you get into your well, I mean, for most

00:33:07
people who are eating terribly and and not taking care of themselves.

00:33:13
They'll start to feel it in their thirties, but once you kinda get into your late thirties,

00:33:17
like, things start to change a little bit with your sex drive.

00:33:21
Even for me, like, I, I used to have, like, and then and if I'm being honest, it's actually I'm

00:33:26
glad that it kind of reduced a little bit because they're in the period of time where I

00:33:32
was the fucking animal, and I couldn't couldn't get anything done.

00:33:35
But, you know, I just think it's as you as you get older, you start to become more conscious

00:33:42
of why it's important to take care of yourself, why it's important.

00:33:45
It's it's not about you know, having amazing abs, although abs are important.

00:33:50
I think abs are something every man should strive for.

00:33:53
You know, there's 22 millionaires in the United States.

00:33:56
But only 3 people who have visible apps.

00:33:59
So what that loosely translates to, I believe is that abs are actually the ultimate status

00:34:05
symbol.

00:34:06
Because unlike a Lamborghini, a Rolex, or a yacht, you you can't buy them.

00:34:10
You have to work really hard for and people might see this as like, oh, well, being a

00:34:15
millionaire, I'm both.

00:34:16
Okay.

00:34:16
I wanna make sure you know,

00:34:17
I'm both.

00:34:18
I'm a millionaire and I have abs and and and I encourage people to the stripe to get both as

00:34:22
well.

00:34:23
That's good.

00:34:23
Let's go.

00:34:24
Oh, yeah.

00:34:25
The 1% of the 1% of the 1%.

00:34:27
And you you kinda touched on it.

00:34:29
I mean, we're at a at a point where it is actually guys.

00:34:32
The the the stats are alarming.

00:34:33
I don't know the number, like, the percentage, but guys who are in their thirties that are

00:34:37
taking Viagra and stuff like this because they're libido in

00:34:40
this contract.

00:34:40
Oh, what did Jake Campbell say about that?

00:34:42
That it was, like, there was a statistic.

00:34:44
It's amazing.

00:34:44
Of guys dying from taking Viagra because they had a hard It was some ridiculous statistic.

00:34:50
It was wild.

00:34:50
Look, if anybody here or if you guys have anybody here watching or you guys have an

00:34:54
Alexa, do you guys use Alexa at all?

00:34:56
Oh, yeah.

00:34:57
The Amazon?

00:34:58
Alexa?

00:34:58
Yeah.

00:34:59
So if you ask Alexa, hey, Alexa.

00:35:03
Is it safe to take 100 milligrams of Viagra?

00:35:07
Don't ask me how I know this.

00:35:09
But So a 100 milligram, they they they sell them in 5 or a 100 fifties, twenties, 100.

00:35:17
A 100 milligrams by Agra.

00:35:19
Is a lot of Viagra for the uninitiated.

00:35:22
And if you actually ask Alexa that, she will then spend the next two minutes talking about

00:35:29
all of the possible risks and side effects, cardiac arrest.

00:35:33
Like, it's

00:35:34
Yeah.

00:35:34
Yeah.

00:35:35
Like, literally, like crazy shit that people I don't think are even conscious of because

00:35:40
obviously, you know, viagra's, I mean, big pharma.

00:35:46
Right.

00:35:46
People don't people don't It's safe.

00:35:47
It don't worry about anything.

00:35:48
People look and

00:35:49
be fat.

00:35:49
Yeah.

00:35:49
Viagra and Cialis is the same category as antidepressants and all this other bullshit

00:35:54
medication.

00:35:55
They try to get you, hooked on forever.

00:35:57
So they can novel.

00:35:58
Yeah.

00:35:58
You know?

00:35:59
So I mean, I'm not saying, don't use them as a situational tool from time to time, but you

00:36:05
should probably be attacking all the other pillars first.

00:36:10
So you can actually have, like, a real sex drive, a true sex

00:36:13
drive.

00:36:14
100%.

00:36:15
Because I think I think it's important for a man to be horny.

00:36:17
I honestly do.

00:36:19
Yeah.

00:36:19
Yeah.

00:36:19
I think it's very important as a young man as you know, you you you enter your, you know,

00:36:24
your real man years, which is in your 30.

00:36:26
Like, you have to be a little horny because that is what's going to give you that drive,

00:36:30
that masculine drive.

00:36:31
To go kick ass in the world to

00:36:32
make things happen.

00:36:33
Honestly, I brought this up the other day, but, like, one of my favorite books in Napoleon

00:36:38
Hill, thinking grow rich.

00:36:39
And it's a mindset, but chapter 11 is tran a sex transmutation.

00:36:42
And when you can when you can know when to focus, Zach, and then no one that takes that

00:36:49
that natural sex drugs

00:36:50
and

00:36:50
divert it to whatever you're focused on.

00:36:53
Yeah.

00:36:53
And in for you, it's business, man.

00:36:55
You've grown up an eight figure business.

00:36:57
And then but you can then devote it to a woman when we need to devote it to a woman.

00:37:01
If you can separate those, man, you are a it's a powerful tool in Napoleon Hill, obviously,

00:37:06
talks a lot about that.

00:37:07
Yes, sir.

00:37:08
Yeah.

00:37:08
It's a good one.

00:37:09
That's awesome, man.

00:37:10
This is How did we get

00:37:11
to talking about Viagra?

00:37:13
I I'd well, Jake Campbell brought it up.

00:37:16
Yeah.

00:37:16
It was you.

00:37:16
Jake Campbell brought it up because he was talking about testosterone, and he talked He

00:37:20
taught it was it was alarming, though, the statistics of how much less sex is happening.

00:37:27
Yeah.

00:37:27
And so our naturally, our population supply is going down, which is a horrible thing.

00:37:31
Right?

00:37:32
Right.

00:37:32
And so less

00:37:32
sex is happening across the globe, but then specifically domestically here in the United

00:37:37
States.

00:37:38
And so if you have but what is what is the why why is there less sex because we have freaking

00:37:43
have bunch of fat slobs running around with no abs.

00:37:45
Yeah.

00:37:46
And and and not not I mean, and I'm not trying to get.

00:37:48
Even even ones that are that that are married and and and and have wives and they're out of

00:37:53
shape and, again, have their man tits and fucking muffin top hanging off of their, the

00:37:57
the sides there.

00:37:58
Like, if you are metabolically unhealthy.

00:38:01
You most likely are not going to have a functional sex drive.

00:38:05
Yeah.

00:38:06
100%.

00:38:06
That's right.

00:38:06
And then what do you go you go to Viagra.

00:38:09
You go to Ciales.

00:38:09
You go to those things.

00:38:10
You try to act the machinery as well.

00:38:12
Why we're not gonna see him as an elderly guy?

00:38:15
Because he's he's probably gonna die cardiac arrest while he's trying to

00:38:19
Correct.

00:38:20
While he's trying trying to have sex.

00:38:22
Yeah.

00:38:22
But he might not even get the erection.

00:38:24
Might get the erection, but ultimately Yeah.

00:38:26
Past white, like, horrible situation.

00:38:28
Yeah.

00:38:28
But at the end of the day, I mean, that's the reality you choose.

00:38:31
Yeah.

00:38:31
You choose.

00:38:32
I'm not gonna go there, but a whole potential because he he knows I could get conspiracy deep

00:38:36
and shit or, like, I mean, they want the the big pharma companies want you to stay weak.

00:38:40
They want you to be unhealthy.

00:38:42
Call it population control.

00:38:43
I don't freaking know, but I think there's something to be said about that as well.

00:38:46
We we'll

00:38:47
cover that.

00:38:49
I'm gonna ask you one more question,

00:38:50
but we're

00:38:51
gonna wrap up for time and stuff.

00:38:52
But our name of our show is full fueled.

00:38:54
We talk about living a life that is full fueled.

00:38:56
That's how optimized.

00:38:57
We have 6 pillars, fuel, movement, sleep, mind, spirit, and work.

00:39:03
And when you have those 6 pillars dialed in functioning 100%, you are full fueled.

00:39:08
Tell me what that looks like for Chris Cabellini.

00:39:10
For me, it's just about getting up every day and trying to be the absolute best version of

00:39:15
myself, doing my best, doing my actual best, which is going to entail getting out of my

00:39:20
comfort zone often.

00:39:21
I find that the easiest way to kinda change things up and venture out of one's comfort

00:39:29
zone.

00:39:29
Because even even for me, even though I do things every day that are really uncomfortable

00:39:33
and are considered to be uncomfortable for, like, normal people.

00:39:36
After you do something for a certain period of time, eventually you kinda get used to it.

00:39:40
It gets a little comfortable, but the easiest thing I think people can do and the easiest

00:39:44
thing that I do that basically helps condition my mind to be okay with change and embrace

00:39:50
change is constantly changing up my fitness.

00:39:54
I do everything from hot yoga class to, again, high intensity, functional interval training.

00:40:00
I I had this, you guys can't Tampa?

00:40:02
Have you ever heard of that place?

00:40:03
So I go to camp sometimes that I do the circuit class.

00:40:05
We're using the self propelled treadmills.

00:40:07
Yeah.

00:40:08
I just think it's very important to be proficient in all areas of fitness.

00:40:12
I think running is important.

00:40:13
I think, having a functional strength is important.

00:40:17
But, you know, specifically in in in answer to that, if I had sum it up.

00:40:21
I I honestly think that for me, it's it's just about maintaining the standard and and and and

00:40:28
consciously going through life, looking for opportunities to elevate the standard.

00:40:33
A lion will never eat grass regardless of how long it's gone without food.

00:40:37
It'll never do it.

00:40:38
It'll never lower itself.

00:40:40
To eat the same food as weaker inferior animals.

00:40:44
And, you know, on the same note, I will never lower my standards for the comfort of other

00:40:50
people.

00:40:50
Next level answer

00:40:55
those.

00:40:55
That was awesome, man.

00:40:56
This was a fantastic conversation, brother.

00:40:58
And enjoy the many more in the future.

00:41:00
Thank you so much, Chris, man.

00:41:01
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