Jake Nadermann: Transformative Healing for Athletes
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Jake Nadermann: Transformative Healing for Athletes

null (0:00) Introduction to Jake Naderman and his chiropractic journey (0:43) Introduction and greetings from Matt and Dr. Alfred Alessi (1:50) Jake Naderman's background in personal training and injury recovery (4:22) The GOTA method: principles and application in movement (8:10) Foot posture, hip alignment, and their impact on performance (11:31) The effects of footwear on foot health and athletic movement (13:20) Ben Patrick's program and its influence on Jake's methods (16:39) Strength, flexibility, and optimizing athletic performance (20:02) The role of consistent body work and PEMF in mobility (23:19) Understanding ATP and building a resilient body (27:25) Sponsor: Nutritious (28:08) Energy, muscle activation, and alternative workout methods (32:17) Improving hip mobility and assessing tissue quality (38:52) Integrating spiritual components into body work and therapy (42:10) Simplifying technical explanations for a broader audience (43:12) Common reasons for seeking Jake's treatment (44:17) Exploring the benefits of Jake's methods beyond pain relief (46:01) Where to connect with Jake Naderman online (46:50) Discussing the meaning of living full fueled (47:30) Episode wrap-up and thank yous

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So I had a chiropractor totally changed my life at fifteen years old.

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I took a massive hit on held in high school football.

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And I ended up with a cervical orientation and our team doctor.

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Fifteen years old.

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Yeah.

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15 years old.

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And this kid hit me.

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I swear big boys.

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I'm Yes.

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At fifteen years old, I'm daddy, bro.

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I'm a £145.

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Like, this is

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So our team doctor is an orthopedic surgeon, and that's what he does.

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His orthopedic surgery.

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So they get me in for a scan, and he says this doesn't look good.

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You're probably not gonna play any contact sports again, and we need to cut you open ASAP

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to fix this.

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Welcome to the full fueled podcast.

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What up, bro?

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What's going on, man?

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Living full fueled over here.

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Life is good.

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Today's been a good day.

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Am I with Jacob in the in the seat here, in the hot seat?

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No.

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It's

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Thanks for having me, guys.

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Man, it's a good night.

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So I'm gonna highlight you a little bit here for everyone listening.

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Jake went to University of Iowa, was a cheerleader there, high performer.

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He's been practicing electronics plus therapy for 5 years.

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I'm gonna have him obviously tell you guys more about what this is, but we are excited to have

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this man.

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He he did a therapy on us the other night.

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That was

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Next.

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Next level.

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It was freaking awesome.

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Next level.

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I've had massages before.

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I've had sports massages, you know, playing playing collegiate level sports, nothing like

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this.

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We don't wanna sell him short because he's go to certified and Nasim certified at the same

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time.

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Certified trainer.

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So this guy's got that.

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And what Nasim teaches you, man, is that head knowledge of how the muscles and everything by

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mechanically are.

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When he was found out muscles, I was like, man, I need to brush up, dude.

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I'm a chiropractor and he's he's dropping something of like, I need to get I need to

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tighten up a little bit.

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For sure.

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Yeah, man.

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It's great to have you here, Jake.

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Thank you so much for having me, guys.

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Appreciate it.

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Awesome, man.

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You live in full field, Jake?

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100%.

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Sort of time.

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Yeah.

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We're definitely walking the

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Yeah, man.

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He was he was kinda digging in his story a little bit.

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So, man, but, you know, as we get started here, kinda tell us a little bit about your

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background, you know, where where you came from, where started, how you got into this.

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You said you were looking at chiropractic school.

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You went a different route.

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I had to have a similar story.

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I was enrolled in PT school, and I just bailed on that and went Cairo.

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So tell us kinda kinda the background here, bro.

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So I had a chiropractor totally changed my life at years old, I took a a massive hit on the

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helmet plan, high school football.

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And, damn, I ended up with a and are And we're, like, fourteen, fifteen years old.

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Yeah.

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15 years old.

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And this kid that hit me, I swear to god £280.

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A unit.

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Big boy.

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And I'm Yes.

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At fifteen years old.

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I'm a £145.

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Like, this is

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a big way.

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Yeah.

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So our

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team doctor is an orthopedic surgeon, and that's what he does.

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His orthopedic surgery.

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So they get me in for a scan, and he says this doesn't look good.

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You're probably not gonna play any contacts again, and we need to cut you open ASAP to fix

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this.

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That's

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a brutal thing to hear at 15 on your parents' right now.

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Like

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Yeah.

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We're lower middle class.

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Like, we already got we already had bills at that point anyway.

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Yeah.

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My parents said, we need a second opinion.

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Nice.

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So we went and got a second opinion.

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Top rated chiropractor in in Ankeny where I'm originally from.

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This guy took wonderful care of me.

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I was back out playing football 5 weeks later.

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Man.

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I love that.

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It was serious.

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So that set me on my path.

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And I was like, I said to myself at fifteen years old, this is what I'm gonna be able to

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for other people because I can't believe I can't believe how I feel and the news that we

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were able to just turn on its head.

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Wow.

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One person said I was done playing sports and I needed surgery and another person said not so

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fast.

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Yeah.

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So I did all the prereqs at college.

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I I knew I wanted to be able to speak Spanish.

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So I got a bachelor's degree in Spanish.

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All the prereqs were done.

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Did a couple school visits, and it just it didn't feel right in here.

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So I took a step back, continued working in the restaurants.

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I was spinning my wheels a little bit, trying to figure out where to take my my passion and

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my ability to help people because I from a young age, I was always kind of intuitive about

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bodies.

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I knew I knew how to help someone with a shoulder that was bugging them.

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And I had no no real training on it at the time.

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So Fast forward another 6, 7 years.

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I got my personal training certification.

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I knew that I wanted to maybe help people from the other side of the the table so to speak,

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you know, help them with their posture or their training or their nutrition because those

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things are so important in building a healthy body that's resilient Yeah.

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And I knew that.

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The chiropractor, Aaron Martin, he would tell me that all the time.

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He said, make sure you train and make sure you're stretching, do your stuff.

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You know, stay on top of your posture.

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So I went into personal training, and it was it was good, but it wasn't it wasn't quite enough.

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Yeah.

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The standard certification, it it wasn't giving, you know, exercise correction.

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And thankfully, my own story with pain was kinda what led me into this certification

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called GOTA, greatest of all time actions.

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That was cool last acronym, by the way.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Who doesn't

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know how much.

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I just learned about this the other day.

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It's not Gouda.

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It's not Gouda.

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It's Goda.

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Smoked Goda.

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Smogoda there.

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Tell us about it, though, because it's really cool because the MJ, Michael Phelps.

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I mean, you're naming some of the highest level to planet Earth Tom Brady answer and on how

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they train to put themselves in the 1% of the 1%.

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So I wanna I wanna backtrack that just to touch because we're not necessarily saying people

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like Michael Jordan or Roger Federer or someone else are training with this idea in mind is

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that they have this innate ability to move with fluidity and not get hurt for no reason at all.

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So this was all an observation.

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Right?

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There was a gentleman named Jose Bosch in New Orleans who was dealing with 3 levels of

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degeneration and was trying to do triathlete stuff and was trying to do his cross fit stuff

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and he just he could barely get off the couch.

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So while he was going through all of these schools of thought, you know, your Kelly

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Tourette's, your Pete Goskews.

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Yeah.

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He's watching on the iPad and scrubbing the film, saying, why does my run not look like

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MJ's?

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And he started observing that some athletes land in a particular fashion,

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and some athletes push off the ground in a

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particular fashion.

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And these durable ones.

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They move a little bit differently.

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That was kind of the the birth of Goda about 10, 12 years ago now.

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So you kinda found like a common thing that they all were doing Is that what it is?

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Yeah.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah.

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It all

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it all

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it's just

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got some researcher.

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You know?

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He's outside the box for sure.

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He's kinda one of those kind of one of those industry disruptors.

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Cool.

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Oh, that's okay.

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Yeah.

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A 100%.

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Yeah.

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Explain it a little bit more detail.

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Is it like you know, a heel strike versus, you know, top of the foot strike.

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Like, and when they run, is it that they are at, maybe a slight degree 45 when they're

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running a little bit ahead?

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Like, is it the intrinsically?

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You know, what is that?

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So the big things that we're looking for within this system is within the assessment.

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We're looking at the way someone squats, the way someone hinges and reaches for the floor.

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What kind of flexibility do they have And then when they walk and run, do we see pronation?

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Because we're gonna see that pronation in the squad too.

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We're gonna see that pronation

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in the

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standing posture.

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It's gonna be exacerbated.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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100% especially if you're running.

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Yeah.

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So that's one of the tenants right there.

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Okay.

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It's it's the biggest piece of the puzzle.

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It's it's our foundations.

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How do we how do we manage that foot and ankle?

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Yeah.

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But then if not more importantly, Where do our hips live in space?

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Because if we are stuck forward and those hips are too far thrust forward, we can lose the

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rotational capacity of that pelvis.

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Yeah.

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So we're looking at those 2 main items among a few others.

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Right?

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We've got We've got 3 main principles and then 7 really 7 fundamentals

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that all feed in to go to the foot posture

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and where the hips live in space

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are such a huge piece of the puzzle in getting people out of pain, helping them perform at a

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higher level.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I mean, the foot, obviously, that's the first thing contacting the ground in any ever,

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anything, right, not just sports.

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And then the hips is where you're lever able to leverage power from the lower body to the upper

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body.

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Yeah.

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Golf 10 is across whatever sport, even basketball.

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Right?

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Like, you you propel through the lower body.

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It has to transfer through those hips to the upper body for you to be able to do that

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activity.

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If you lose that somewhere or if that's not functioning efficiently, right?

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So a lot of what I do is also like realigning hips and and, more like a structural foundation

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So the GoDA is more of a diagnostic tool.

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And then is there, like, a therapeutic aspect to it?

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Or that's more what you do with the electrons plus.

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Yeah.

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Talk a little bit about that.

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And you

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can take

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a take a sip if you need them.

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So they don't they definitely work hand in hand.

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Right?

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The the assessment process tells us where we're weak.

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The assessment tells us where our lowest hanging fruit is.

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So if we've got a foot and ankle that collapse quite a bit, or we need to coordinate the ankle

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and the hip better as a corkscrew.

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Right?

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We need to synchronize those 2 joints to keep the foot and ankle safe.

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We're gonna spend a lot of time doing things like wall sits with really particular foot

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posture, and we're gonna spend a lot of time doing things like crawling like a child because

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that's really where we start the development of these motor patterns.

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And a lot of folks lose them based on the footwear they're wearing or maybe even the way

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they were brought up.

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You know?

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You probably look at these these two boys you got.

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And you're seeing their development.

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You're you're probably learning things from them too because the they're so brilliant in

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the way that they move when they're young.

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Yeah.

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A lot

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of times they're not adulterated by stiff tennis shoes and little bouncy chairs and Yeah.

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You know, people

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Being barefoot so important.

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It's funny you say that because I have a video.

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I'm, like, filming them as they're running back and forth in the house.

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I was like, this is hilarious.

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I'm just gonna film it, and I, like, slowed it down to watch.

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Bro, like, they've moved differently, even though they're identical twins, Leo's got a

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little bit more weight on his frame.

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He's a little heavier, and so it's like a little bullet.

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He comes around the corner leaning I'm like, alright.

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What two year old can, like, lean into a, like, a run like that?

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His feet and everything are moving well.

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And then Leo comes around.

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He's a little less.

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He's a little more upright and his feet were pronating a lot.

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And I could see the difference, and it's crazy.

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I mean, I try to let them be barefoot as much as possible.

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Because I think shoes messed my feet up, man.

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Yeah.

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I was in shoes since I was a kid real narrow freaking nikes.

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My toes are all jammed together.

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And, like, I had had ankle problems growing up all the time.

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I'm gonna say I'm gonna say it right now.

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I'm kicking the shoe off.

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If your shoe cannot do this, if you can't bend, twist your shoe,

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Oh, the flux the flux wins, dude.

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You got a problem.

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I don't.

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You ain't flexing those freaking nikes right

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there, bro.

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Because you got stiff shoes, your feet are not working.

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Like to call those foot coffins.

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Yeah.

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They do the work.

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They're doing the work for your foot.

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Yeah.

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And it's gonna like

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there's it's crazy how much recent technology has come out.

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I think actually for the guy from primal has actually loaded some scientific research kind

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of behind the formation of a child's foot on how, like, impacting, restricted their foot,

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like, in the growth pattern how they need to, from a primal perspective of just, like, growth

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and, the proper webbing in between them.

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Yeah.

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And, like, an aged woman.

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Because it, like, you, you'll see those, like, really old grandmas, right?

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And they're freaking, like, middle their baby toe is, like, kinda, like, in the middle of

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their foot.

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I'm like, choose radio,

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dude.

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Something's

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wrong with your face, you know.

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Yeah.

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Like, such nasty stuff, but that's, like, an impact of, like shoes.

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Fashion over function, right, where it's

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like, you

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have those high heels that are just wedging that freaking towing.

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Yep.

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And they're so waiting for a basketball shoe for roses.

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Basketball shoe with a wide toe box.

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I don't think that

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They're coming 1.

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They're coming.

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They're getting really close.

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You know, you're also in there.

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It might take a little bit wider.

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I think

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the best probably your best option is some of the older Covis.

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Yeah.

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I think that

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K.

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One of the only ones that's got a little flexibility too.

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We're going down memory lane.

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Remember the moon shoes with Kobe?

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You ever saw the moon shoes with Kobe?

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I had those back in the day.

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They were ridiculous.

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They

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came out again.

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The ones that had, like, the big base on the on the front, but there was no heel on it.

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They're no.

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There's many passengers.

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There may

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be ideas.

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They're all the way.

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Yeah.

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They're freaking like they're all white.

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Those are it right there.

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Those are the ones.

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Austin's got us.

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Look at that.

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That looks like a car.

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Looks like a freaking 3 day old.

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It's got a wide toad box.

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Okay.

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No.

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Anyways That's

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a pretty quick draw, like, young Jamie.

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Oh, yeah.

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He's on the trigger here.

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He's got it.

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Love it.

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But, we were talking a little bit earlier before we got interrupted by a blowing horn,

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was, Ben Patrick.

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So Ben Patrick, Meeze over tows guy.

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I think he's grown his audience.

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Like, dude, when I was, like, started following him, I thought he was, like, maybe a 100,

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200.

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He's well over a 1 at this place.

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You were saying, tell us a little bit, Autumn, because you went through this program.

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I think you were with some knee pain, or not with some knee pain.

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You're you're going after something else, but talk a little bit about

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so my my major struggle through my my journey with pain was always a lumbar spine.

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That was the thing that actually never really sorted out until I figured out where my hips

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needed to live in space.

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So I was getting frustrated with the go to program, to be honest with you.

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There's this neurological recoding, like, neuroplastic change that needs to take place.

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In that time period.

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I got so frustrated that I wasn't seeing results quickly enough that I actually just set

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the whole thing side.

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And I started training Ben's program because I was walking by his gym, ATG, down in

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Clearwater, like, on a regular basis.

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I would see them, like, outside filming and guys coming and going.

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I was like, this is interesting.

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And then I connected the dots because he was starting to get a little traction.

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On Instagram at the time.

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So I started following the program, and it was it was interesting.

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You know, it was it was more what I was used to, doing some body weight, you know, really

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big emphasis on stretching and finding that range of motion, but then you know, it was it

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was a lot of barbells and step ups and things like that, the Polyquin kind of protocol.

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It was it was cool.

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But ultimately, it didn't get me out of pain because his focus at the time was still very

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much knees.

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Yeah.

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We brought in Jeffrey Wolf, which was a really

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good ad to the program.

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He was doing he was

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doing range of strength, you know, working on the the strength with

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flexibility, which was really cool.

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And it seemed to help a lot of people, but ultimately, I didn't get out of pain, and there

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were a couple times where I actually made my pain worse while I was while I was doing that

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program.

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But as far as knees go, I didn't have issues at that time, but I know that program's been

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tremendous for a lot of people with knee issues.

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I mean, I've used it.

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I I came I've ever gone through the full program, but I've seen enough of what he does

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and then plus what I do to kinda blend stuff together.

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Like, I just made a post the other day about basically how I healed Patel tendinitis and,

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like, matter of a month was through some of those, reverse sled pools.

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I started with reverse treadmills then got up to reverse sled pools.

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Obviously, I hit that thing with the soft wave like a freaking gang buster.

00:16:00
Let's do that, like, every single day.

00:16:02
Maybe too much.

00:16:03
But

00:16:03
Use it if you got it.

00:16:04
That's right.

00:16:04
Right.

00:16:05
I paid for that thing.

00:16:05
So between those two different thing.

00:16:07
So, you know, definitely beneficial for me.

00:16:09
And I think I think he's helped a lot of people.

00:16:11
I think he that guy hit it with he helps a lot of people and the program is valid And he went

00:16:17
after something that was, like, never let your knees go over your toes.

00:16:20
Right?

00:16:20
That's what I grew up as,

00:16:21
like, my freaking PE coach who doesn't

00:16:22
even have a freaking clue about exercise full telling me not to let my knees go over my toes.

00:16:29
Right?

00:16:29
This gym coach guy.

00:16:30
Right?

00:16:30
So it's like he kinda changed the game there, which was smart, great marketing, great

00:16:35
freaking, way to blow yourself up and it is valid and it helps.

00:16:39
That works.

00:16:40
So

00:16:40
and that's the one thing that we see so much in the sports performance world.

00:16:43
A lot of our weight room training.

00:16:46
It's based on Olympic lifting protocol.

00:16:49
Not that that's necessarily something that's going to contribute the the athlete's

00:16:53
durability or, performance on the field all the time.

00:16:57
It's old school.

00:16:57
Right?

00:16:57
I mean, it's old school.

00:16:59
Yeah.

00:16:59
We're we're definitely moving towards the single leg stuff and building flexibility,

00:17:04
building range of motion, and not necessarily worrying about the PR.

00:17:08
Because the PR isn't what's gonna keep us on the field.

00:17:11
The best ability is availability.

00:17:14
Yeah.

00:17:14
I mean, there are guys like Barkley.

00:17:16
Fire.

00:17:16
He's just a dog in the gym.

00:17:18
Like, he can squat freaking weight.

00:17:20
You know what I mean?

00:17:20
Yeah.

00:17:21
It's like, that is hurts.

00:17:22
That's beneficial.

00:17:23
That's gonna help you.

00:17:24
Yeah.

00:17:24
But, dude, you gotta be able to move laterally.

00:17:27
Right?

00:17:27
So, like, you have to have to be able to cut.

00:17:29
So, like, he obviously does more than that.

00:17:30
Right?

00:17:31
Oh, yeah.

00:17:31
He's But he's had some injuries too.

00:17:32
Right?

00:17:32
Just as much

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if not more than that way, you remind me.

00:17:35
Sure.

00:17:35
That's right.

00:17:35
Like, and that's the blend of the flexibility and the strength, kinda like what you were

00:17:39
loaning to.

00:17:39
It's like, I think the the ideal athlete is able get to be strong through full range of

00:17:44
motion without compromise.

00:17:46
Right?

00:17:46
Yeah.

00:17:46
Say that's a pretty good definition.

00:17:48
Yeah.

00:17:48
Full range of motion is key.

00:17:50
Yeah.

00:17:50
That flight that's up of flexibility.

00:17:52
I think it'd like Jalen hurts too because Jalen hurts is that dude that, I mean, for a

00:17:56
quarterback, you have to be mobile.

00:17:58
You have to have a lot of full range of motion.

00:18:00
Yeah.

00:18:00
But he

00:18:01
he apparently can squat £660.

00:18:01
Yeah.

00:18:01
Yeah.

00:18:07
He's one of the strongest guys in the way room.

00:18:08
But He

00:18:08
can probably play multiple positions.

00:18:10
Like, if you play, you know, receiver or back, stuff like that.

00:18:13
Yeah.

00:18:13
He's next level.

00:18:14
Yeah.

00:18:15
Like, your Sanders or your MJ.

00:18:16
Right?

00:18:17
You go out and Yeah.

00:18:18
Go out

00:18:18
and play in a pro level at whatever sport they choose.

00:18:21
Yeah.

00:18:21
Yeah.

00:18:21
Those are not.

00:18:22
Sometimes

00:18:22
you just

00:18:23
have the ability.

00:18:24
It's just an in you.

00:18:25
Yeah.

00:18:25
And then your work, I think, is through the

00:18:28
roof.

00:18:28
What takes you up beyond?

00:18:29
The one thing that I always have to think about because it's the 1% of the 1%.

00:18:34
That's all.

00:18:35
Like, it that something that always reoccurs like a feedback loop in my head.

00:18:38
Right?

00:18:38
And so we were talking about in our last episode, like, you actually don't need to do

00:18:45
that much to be 1% of the 1% because, like, the majority of the populations are overwhelming.

00:18:50
Too, like, they're doing nothing.

00:18:51
Right?

00:18:52
There's that piece that I wanna constantly challenge myself though a little bit more.

00:18:56
Right?

00:18:57
And I just wanna, like, trigger it.

00:18:58
Like, I think in terms of what what can I do that, like, is that small degree of separation?

00:19:03
Like, what is that small degree separation?

00:19:08
So I've been working on my body for a while now.

00:19:10
Like, I've been, like, I wanna I, like, we're all about optimization going in our well into

00:19:15
our, you know, forties, fifties, sixties, right?

00:19:17
I wanna think of that way.

00:19:19
But there's this one piece that we learned about last night.

00:19:23
That's what you do, PMF, where you can incorporate this element of now me thinking,

00:19:32
oh, this is this is the slight trigger.

00:19:34
This is the this is like the lever you can pull up to be a little bit better because it's

00:19:39
shortening.

00:19:40
So, like, when you get injured when you're in your thirties, of course, it's gonna it likely

00:19:44
gonna hurt a lot more, and it's gonna take a little bit longer to heal.

00:19:47
But the point is reducing those windows, right?

00:19:50
Reducing those windows as much as possible.

00:19:52
Yeah.

00:19:52
And

00:19:52
that's where you really come into play.

00:19:54
As far as that body work when, you know, you have an athlete.

00:19:57
Maybe it's an aged athlete.

00:19:58
Maybe it's even a young athlete.

00:20:00
You were talking about a baseball player the other night.

00:20:02
That Tory's abductor or towards something, and you had to work on him.

00:20:06
Right?

00:20:07
And you, like, get back in here, man.

00:20:08
I can work on you.

00:20:09
Yeah.

00:20:09
But it's for in a in a professional sense, it's availability.

00:20:14
I love that.

00:20:15
What were you saying?

00:20:15
Like, that is the most important thing.

00:20:17
You gotta be available.

00:20:19
And so injury will occur.

00:20:21
We've talked about that again in, previous episodes.

00:20:24
But, like, for a guy like me, now that has a guy like Jake, putting myself into that factor,

00:20:30
man, I I like I I was, working out, and my knee was just off a little bit.

00:20:35
And it's like, alright.

00:20:36
Where's that degree of separation where I can hone that in?

00:20:39
And that's where this comes into play as far as that body work is, like, you should be getting

00:20:44
consistent body work done.

00:20:45
To make sure you're mobile, you're elusive, you're all these things.

00:20:50
Go into detail.

00:20:50
I mean, get super, super nerdy with us.

00:20:55
Like, real nerdy with us.

00:20:56
Like, get prepared.

00:20:57
Let's go.

00:20:58
He loves it.

00:20:59
Get I was born

00:21:00
for this.

00:21:02
About what you do.

00:21:05
The, I mean, the absolute crazy shit you put on yourself to make myself this Bionic human while

00:21:11
I'm on the mat.

00:21:12
It was awesome.

00:21:13
Last story I'm gonna tell, I literally, this guy worked on me.

00:21:19
I get up the following day, and I'm doing some kettlebell work.

00:21:23
And I, like, touched the kettlebell.

00:21:24
I had a little I'm electrified a little bit.

00:21:29
No, it wasn't it wasn't not it wasn't anything crazy, but it was, it was kind of funny and

00:21:33
cool at the same time.

00:21:35
White little carpet check.

00:21:36
There's nothing a little bit of static electricity.

00:21:38
You know what I mean?

00:21:39
Nothing wrong with it.

00:21:41
Walk us through it, man.

00:21:42
Like what you put on, how you set up, the gel, like, all that stuff, like, walk through it

00:21:48
all.

00:21:49
Cool.

00:21:49
So the electrons plus device that I have is quite a bit like

00:21:54
some of the some of the more popular high power PEMF devices.

00:21:57
It is technically operating PEMF.

00:22:01
Post electromagnetic field.

00:22:03
But this device is actually allowing me to use my hands as electrodes, almost as if

00:22:08
I'm a human tens unit.

00:22:08
Right?

00:22:08
So

00:22:12
Like,

00:22:13
I throw on a grounding belt.

00:22:14
I'd plug into the ground in a wall so that I can more effectively pull through your body.

00:22:20
Now this this device has a plate it sits underneath the client.

00:22:24
So their whole body is electrified, and I'm able to tap in and work wherever I please.

00:22:29
So A lot of times, I'll start with a little vagus nerve warm up and we'll start to get a

00:22:33
little twitching and popping.

00:22:34
I might

00:22:35
Too dark

00:22:36
in the headwind.

00:22:36
Yeah.

00:22:37
You're shaking and you're and you're jumping a little healthy tissue fires.

00:22:40
We should have the ability to fully contract or fully stretch a tissue by getting the voltage

00:22:46
to pull through the body.

00:22:47
What we're able to do is really assess how everything is functioning.

00:22:52
But then meanwhile, if we're gonna take a deep dive all the way all the way down into the

00:22:57
cellular level, we're finding that by reestablishing the membrane potential of the

00:23:03
cell.

00:23:04
Right.

00:23:05
That difference in charge from the inside to the outside of the cell, we're actually able to

00:23:11
shuttle in nutrients pull out waste and create more ATP.

00:23:16
Yeah.

00:23:16
So

00:23:16
if we can do all of those

00:23:18
things Explain ATP.

00:23:19
Adenosine triphosphate.

00:23:21
It's it's the building block of energy.

00:23:23
Yeah.

00:23:24
It's it's how we it's how we move.

00:23:26
It's what we use to for muscle contraction.

00:23:29
You need Right.

00:23:29
Produces mitochondria.

00:23:30
So you're

00:23:31
saying that when you're doing these trip trip therapies, you're, like, kind of, like,

00:23:33
restoring the body.

00:23:34
Right?

00:23:34
That potential and the membrane potential is like that kinda charge that is, like, ready for

00:23:39
something to take place and you're kinda, like, resetting that almost.

00:23:42
Injuries, illness.

00:23:43
Yeah.

00:23:44
Even even trauma, you know, whatever that trauma might be, the the posture that you

00:23:49
assume because you're just so stressed out.

00:23:51
All of these things, lack of breathing, poor nutrition, lack of exercise, they all really

00:23:57
matter as far as building a strong resilient body.

00:24:00
So we're gonna lose that charge either as we age or as we experience a lot of things that

00:24:05
put our body under stress.

00:24:06
Like, we're kinda over burning it.

00:24:08
Exactly.

00:24:08
Wasting it.

00:24:09
Yeah.

00:24:10
Yeah.

00:24:11
Everyone knows what they have to do to build a healthy body, but it's it's those atomic pieces

00:24:17
all coming together that really Yeah.

00:24:19
Put someone on on the the path, the next level.

00:24:22
Yeah.

00:24:22
Even that like the electro the electrolyte water.

00:24:25
Yeah.

00:24:26
Those are super essential for getting contractions.

00:24:29
Oh my god.

00:24:30
I I consume

00:24:31
a lot of electrolytes.

00:24:32
I of it.

00:24:32
I get energy from it, man.

00:24:34
Like, like, I'll skip coffee and just do electrolytes, and I feel great.

00:24:37
Yeah.

00:24:37
Tut, dude, tell us.

00:24:38
So talk through what like you did on Matt's knee.

00:24:41
Yeah.

00:24:41
So let's let's zoom back out.

00:24:43
Right?

00:24:43
We we talked a little bit on the cells.

00:24:45
That's great.

00:24:46
It's just simply happen Whether I'm touching you or not.

00:24:49
Yeah.

00:24:49
It's simply happening for your body, which is great.

00:24:51
But then we have this added benefit of my hands acting like the electrodes of a ten's unit.

00:24:58
So I'm able to feel how that muscle, how that tissue and fascia is responding to the pulses

00:25:05
that are moving through your body.

00:25:06
Yeah.

00:25:07
So it almost acts like a a dino tune in a sense.

00:25:11
We're trying to find that perfect idol for a really high performance engine, but we're

00:25:16
testing each and every little muscle and moving through them and seeing how they respond and

00:25:22
how they feel.

00:25:23
Yeah.

00:25:25
I like to talk about the depolarization of of muscle a lot of times because there's a certain

00:25:31
communication and sensation that's going on on the table.

00:25:34
Right?

00:25:34
When I'm when I'm on top of, like, an infraspinatus or even feeling the subscapularis

00:25:40
underneath the shoulder blade.

00:25:42
A lot of times, especially people who are kinda rolled forward working on desks or driving a

00:25:47
lot.

00:25:47
They're gonna they're gonna explain and say, oh, man, that really hurts.

00:25:53
It feels like you're sticking your finger in a bruise.

00:25:55
I didn't even know that thing hurt.

00:25:57
And I

00:25:58
say, well, it wasn't causing you pain, but it was beginning to cause you dysfunction.

00:26:03
Yeah.

00:26:03
So we'll kinda loosen up that whole shoulder, try to try to find what else is tied around it.

00:26:09
Yeah.

00:26:10
But we're we're using our manual therapy techniques to break through the fascia, loosen

00:26:15
it back up, and then restore that voltage and get a full contraction on the

00:26:19
How long has this been around?

00:26:20
Started kinda cut that.

00:26:21
But, like, how

00:26:22
long has this been,

00:26:22
like, a therapy that has been a certification Right?

00:26:27
Elektron is new to

00:26:28
me for sure.

00:26:28
Yeah.

00:26:29
Elektron's plus that hand guided PEMF.

00:26:32
It's, I think, around 11 years now.

00:26:35
There have been 3 generations of the device.

00:26:37
Yeah.

00:26:38
And honestly, the first one was not pretty.

00:26:41
Yeah.

00:26:42
It was not it was not a great experience.

00:26:45
Yes.

00:26:46
I think it felt more like electric shock

00:26:47
therapy than Yeah.

00:26:47
Than this like, really smooth tangent.

00:26:51
People

00:26:51
were getting lobotomized and

00:26:52
shit.

00:26:53
Exactly.

00:26:54
So rounds 2 and rounds 3, they were good.

00:26:56
And PMF has been studied for Yeah.

00:26:58
50, 60 years.

00:26:59
Because like you said, it's it's basically like tens plus the massage.

00:27:03
Dude, the most important part is the intuitive nature of the practitioner doing it.

00:27:07
Right?

00:27:07
And so

00:27:07
it's like sir.

00:27:08
You know, in the past, it's like you had to get a massage for an hour, then you had to get tens

00:27:11
units thrown on you and, like, then do, like, do some scraping.

00:27:14
It's like you're doing all of that at one time.

00:27:16
In one thing.

00:27:17
It it was it's freaking groundbreaking.

00:27:19
It's sick.

00:27:19
It's awesome.

00:27:20
Yeah.

00:27:20
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00:27:22
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00:27:23
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00:28:08
Because I wondered, like, can you wonder when muscles, like, the muscles, people lose breath

00:28:15
And energy.

00:28:15
Right?

00:28:16
Think about this in, like, the deepest economy.

00:28:17
You're talking

00:28:18
about, like, if you'd muscle the

00:28:19
most still

00:28:19
have energy.

00:28:20
And if you can still use that And

00:28:22
Maybe they're fresh dead, like, within, like, a few minutes.

00:28:25
Like, you still have some

00:28:26
potential energy stored up.

00:28:28
That's not a conundrum, though.

00:28:29
Yeah.

00:28:29
You might still have

00:28:30
some potential energy stored but I

00:28:33
that's a dead that's a that's

00:28:34
a really good question.

00:28:35
And Is

00:28:35
that a good question?

00:28:36
Surprise.

00:28:36
That's a pretty big dark question.

00:28:41
Stiffens up.

00:28:42
That's a calcium dump.

00:28:43
Right?

00:28:43
So your bod you like your body, like, everything releases and calcium gets dumped

00:28:47
into muscle and it stiffens.

00:28:48
It's contractile.

00:28:49
So you aren't probably yeah.

00:28:51
I'm willing to say

00:28:52
probably no because because of the flush that happens.

00:28:55
You know, it's a full body flush when someone pass is a way.

00:28:58
Right?

00:28:58
Yeah.

00:28:59
So, I'm willing to bet.

00:29:01
Probably not.

00:29:01
But, yeah, like you were saying.

00:29:04
For that question.

00:29:08
Well, I Keep them coming.

00:29:09
Right?

00:29:10
Yeah.

00:29:10
Pretty.

00:29:10
I don't know.

00:29:11
It's just pretty interesting.

00:29:12
Like Yeah.

00:29:13
They I mean, the it's what what I loved about it specifically was, like, the charge of the

00:29:18
human body.

00:29:19
How much energy it actually physically can emit?

00:29:21
Oh,

00:29:21
it's incredible.

00:29:22
You become really in tune when you're going that, like, when you were working on my knee

00:29:28
and then you were, like, even on, my, temples.

00:29:31
Right?

00:29:32
Like, it was just it was kind of like this weird out of body experience, maybe a little

00:29:37
bit, where I was like, wow.

00:29:39
Like, there's I literally don't have control like this.

00:29:42
Everything's moving, but I'm not doing anything.

00:29:44
But I'm not doing anything.

00:29:45
Right?

00:29:45
It's like the I think, Dave Asbury does something weird like that where Like, that's

00:29:49
how he physically works out, you know, where he activates muscle groups without, like, going to

00:29:54
the gym.

00:29:56
You ever heard him talk about that?

00:29:57
No.

00:29:57
Oh, man.

00:29:58
It's the weirdest thing.

00:29:59
So he actually he, like, doesn't go to the gym.

00:30:02
He actually it's, I think it's like a vibration mat and then other things, but I think uses

00:30:07
PMF.

00:30:08
We'll have to look into a little bit more.

00:30:09
Don't quote me on this, but I thought it was some level of p m PMF where he activates his

00:30:15
muscle groups without, like, using weights where it's giving, like, the resistance of a

00:30:21
weight.

00:30:21
You know?

00:30:22
You don't know what this almost sounds like.

00:30:23
This sounds like EMS training.

00:30:25
Yeah.

00:30:26
So, like, this is probably a

00:30:27
So there's this guy here in Tampa, Joe.

00:30:30
He he he runs a business called Tumos Studios.

00:30:34
They suit you up.

00:30:35
They strap you into the into the computer.

00:30:37
I've

00:30:37
seen I've seen that.

00:30:38
It's like a tens unit workout, basically.

00:30:40
It's like it's

00:30:41
hiding all your

00:30:42
We're talking $30, you know, tens units.

00:30:45
Yeah.

00:30:45
Gotta dial for every muscle.

00:30:46
That's 100% when this.

00:30:48
Now, like, the best stuff

00:30:49
that he put on Yeah.

00:30:50
Yeah.

00:30:51
You're in you're in long John's.

00:30:52
Yeah.

00:30:53
And then your whole box comes with the best with electrodes.

00:30:56
And they water down the vest so that you can conduct.

00:30:59
Get out of there.

00:31:00
And then

00:31:00
they strap you into the computer.

00:31:02
Bam.

00:31:02
You can blow it up.

00:31:03
When it's it's that's he says he that's all he does.

00:31:05
Yeah.

00:31:06
But, like, how are you increasing your VO 2 max?

00:31:08
Right?

00:31:09
Right.

00:31:09
Well, you need to be doing something outside of that.

00:31:11
Or You gotta

00:31:11
be moving.

00:31:12
You gotta you gotta be moving.

00:31:13
I'm not

00:31:14
saying that it's it's not a bad, supplement for someone who wants to be a high level athlete.

00:31:20
But, yeah, you

00:31:20
know, if you're getting older and you're still going on walks, and you're just trying to

00:31:24
maintain your muscle mass and keep keep the load off your spine or keep the load off your

00:31:29
knee.

00:31:30
It's the American.

00:31:31
It's April.

00:31:31
How do we get results?

00:31:33
People were chatter.

00:31:34
Yeah.

00:31:35
So we spend a lot of money to do less.

00:31:37
That I'm gonna I'm gonna save some time then.

00:31:40
30 minutes

00:31:40
from here.

00:31:40
It's not

00:31:41
like he has the best body in the I'm like, freaking dude, like, here in the longevity guy.

00:31:45
Yeah.

00:31:45
Like, I would I would presume, like, the guy we're talking about, Mike, and I'm like, I'm

00:31:49
like, dude, I want that body in my freaking still going in my sixties.

00:31:52
Right?

00:31:53
Right.

00:31:53
Whereas he's not even in his sixties.

00:31:55
What am I talking about?

00:31:56
Isn't he, like, 49 or something like that?

00:31:58
He's not even that old.

00:32:00
But, I think of that, some of these guys talking about longevity, going back to the

00:32:05
point of, like, muscle is, like, I don't I don't wanna take the roundabout way to, like, I

00:32:11
don't I kinda, like, I'm a gym rat at the end of the day.

00:32:13
Like, too.

00:32:14
I love lifting weights and picking them up and putting them down.

00:32:17
Yeah.

00:32:18
And there's well, they're gonna and

00:32:19
then going to, guys, I do

00:32:20
it for the body of peace.

00:32:21
Muscle muscle mass and and range of motion, those two things.

00:32:23
Huge.

00:32:24
If you can pair them together, I think that's the fountain of youth, man.

00:32:27
Let's talk about that a little bit more hips.

00:32:30
So this is one thing that I've been working on for probably.

00:32:33
I've been super intentional the past year.

00:32:35
Right.

00:32:35
Because I was never, you know, I was at at 90 degrees, 90 degrees.

00:32:39
Like, people tell me 90 degrees.

00:32:41
So I would go down, you know, in a squat, 90, pop back up.

00:32:45
And then now it's like, no, ask the grass

00:32:48
Yeah.

00:32:48
Because

00:32:48
you get way wider range of motion.

00:32:50
So I

00:32:50
keep my usually my hips, but I bet it took 6, 7 months for me to get real long range of motion

00:32:58
in my squad.

00:32:59
Yeah.

00:33:00
And really just getting deep ass to grass but, you know, there's a lot of mobility that I had

00:33:05
to do.

00:33:06
Duck walks.

00:33:07
Sure.

00:33:07
Frog stretches, like, all these things to really open up those hips.

00:33:11
Maybe what are 2 or 3 helpful hips for to get that range of motion?

00:33:17
You know, obviously

00:33:17
your therapy helps, but what what are some

00:33:17
other added things?

00:33:20
So I want

00:33:21
you to visualize what you do

00:33:21
with Olympic weight lifting as reverse key here.

00:33:28
Like, you're throwing the car in in reverse.

00:33:31
Right?

00:33:31
You're taking a bar.

00:33:32
You're throwing it up and then back in a lot of cases.

00:33:36
When you're doing something Olympic style.

00:33:37
Right?

00:33:38
Yeah.

00:33:39
That is going to create a different style of torque on both the ankles and the hips.

00:33:41
Okay.

00:33:42
Now when we look at these high level athletes, when they move forward, their

00:33:49
hip pattern and the way that they push off the ground is actually

00:33:56
the inverse of what you see in an Olympic lift.

00:33:59
Mhmm.

00:33:59
Not to say that Olympic lifting is bad, but Olympic lifting trains and ability to do one

00:34:05
thing.

00:34:06
Right.

00:34:06
So if you're looking for the ability to open your hips better, a lot of times you may need

00:34:12
to get your butt back down on the ground and train your ability to move forward.

00:34:17
So we're talking crawling Yeah.

00:34:20
Literally crawling like a baby.

00:34:21
And then when you if when you've proven yourself and everything's synchronized really

00:34:25
nicely, the shoulders, hips, ankles are all moving well from one side to the other, and you

00:34:31
might get those knees up off the ground and turn it into a bear crawl or push a tank

00:34:36
forward.

00:34:36
Torque tank, absolute favorite tool if you have any.

00:34:39
It's one of those.

00:34:39
Yeah.

00:34:40
I love them.

00:34:40
Absolutely love it.

00:34:41
That magnetic flywheel in there is.

00:34:43
Yeah.

00:34:43
It's a killer, dude.

00:34:44
It's my secret weapon.

00:34:45
But, yeah, I would say crawling, bear crawling, pushing a tank, and then just working the

00:34:52
synchronization of how the body moves forward.

00:34:57
Huge.

00:34:57
Like, they

00:34:57
can compliment one another.

00:34:59
And honestly, it'll it'll make you a more durable, more probably more powerful Olympic

00:35:05
lift or 2.

00:35:05
Yeah.

00:35:06
Talk a little bit about when you were doing the therapy and you mentioned it to me.

00:35:09
I already forgot because I was just so, like, zone now with what you were when you were doing

00:35:13
it.

00:35:13
And it was a little, you know, a little

00:35:14
It takes it takes your words from you.

00:35:16
Yeah.

00:35:16
Yeah.

00:35:17
But explain, like, where you would hit certain areas and my whole freaking leg was tweaked in

00:35:22
my whole body.

00:35:23
But then other areas, nothing was happening, and it was, like, more painful.

00:35:26
Yeah.

00:35:26
That's because I had more fascial kind of, like, Adhesians?

00:35:29
Is that

00:35:29
what that exactly

00:35:30
what it is?

00:35:31
Okay.

00:35:31
So we have to talk about tissue quality.

00:35:34
Right.

00:35:34
Right.

00:35:35
Yeah.

00:35:35
And you hit that spot

00:35:36
on my knee.

00:35:36
That felt like freaking tube steak boats.

00:35:39
Yeah.

00:35:39
To make, yeah, to make it make sense.

00:35:41
Like, as we as we run a tool or fingertips across the the fascia, we should be able to

00:35:49
feel basically a steak, like, a a nice fillet mignon or a sirloin.

00:35:54
The the consistency of that tissue should be pretty smooth.

00:35:58
Yeah.

00:35:58
But a lot of times we'll end up feeling something more like more like a a ground beef.

00:36:03
Like a package of ground beef.

00:36:05
You feel that separation every so often as you strum your finger along it.

00:36:10
You take a tool and you just feel the gravel.

00:36:12
You feel the crunch.

00:36:13
So that's poorly that's poorly healed tissue, whether it's

00:36:17
Yeah.

00:36:17
The the way you're executing and exercise or you're healing modalities there's a lot that

00:36:22
can go into the way tissue quality develops.

00:36:25
Right.

00:36:25
You

00:36:25
know, maybe it's even your your ability to access your VO2 max.

00:36:30
How is your how is your diaphragmatic breath?

00:36:33
Those things all matter to return to kind of the sensation that you are feeling.

00:36:36
Right?

00:36:38
That's the that's the depolarized topic that I that I'll touch on a lot.

00:36:43
So we've got this spectrum.

00:36:44
Right?

00:36:45
We should be able to fully contract and fully stretch a muscle.

00:36:49
But if your body doesn't have the ability to do that for one reason or another, you're gonna

00:36:53
feel pain when you're having that voltage pulled through you.

00:36:56
Gosh.

00:36:56
Because it's the dyno tune.

00:36:58
We're pulling that voltage and asking the muscle to contract can.

00:37:03
10, 15, 20, 75 times per second.

00:37:06
Yeah.

00:37:07
You know, with someone who's maybe a little less trained or has a little little less

00:37:11
healthy battery system, we might have to take that frequency up really high to get something

00:37:16
firing.

00:37:17
But when you feel the pain, pins and needles, deep bruise, even knives, sometimes people say

00:37:23
it feels like I'm stabbing knives into them.

00:37:25
Those are all signs that the tissue is not being used properly, and it's not it's not

00:37:29
healed properly.

00:37:30
Yeah.

00:37:30
Gotcha.

00:37:31
So we felt that on the VMO, quite a bit.

00:37:33
And as we worked through it, the pain started to kinda drop off a little bit, and then we

00:37:38
laid we laid your leg back down.

00:37:40
Tested it out again.

00:37:41
And it was a much better contraction.

00:37:43
Sure.

00:37:43
Yeah.

00:37:43
So that's kind of the sign that we're we're taking depolarized sorting out the the

00:37:48
consistency of the tissue and then making it work well again.

00:37:52
Yeah.

00:37:52
Giving it the capacity back that it needs to do its job.

00:37:55
It's cool stuff.

00:37:56
And you said you have somebody who works on you.

00:37:57
So you're obviously getting this done too.

00:37:59
Thank Goodness.

00:38:00
Yeah.

00:38:01
Yeah.

00:38:01
There are, like, 200 electrons plus providers out there today.

00:38:06
And I would say probably a quarter of them.

00:38:09
Are getting worked by other electrons plus providers.

00:38:12
Yeah.

00:38:12
Half of us don't even know what consistent treatment would the electrons plus feels like.

00:38:18
Kinda crazy to think about.

00:38:19
Yeah.

00:38:20
Yeah.

00:38:20
I mean, that's, like, when I went freaking month without getting adjusted, you know, it's,

00:38:23
like, itching for it.

00:38:25
You know, I mean, I I honestly don't know how people do like, my consistent body work,

00:38:29
getting my spine.

00:38:30
I mean, I, like, I went 3 weeks out without going to you.

00:38:33
I've been going consistently to a chiropractor full 3 month or 2 years.

00:38:38
Sorry.

00:38:38
Like, we talk about all the time.

00:38:39
Most people are mashed potatoes.

00:38:40
They don't know what's, like, it even feels like to be healthy.

00:38:43
So, like, they're not doing anything that like it requires.

00:38:47
It's a slow boil.

00:38:48
Yeah.

00:38:48
It's a really slow boil until you realize this water's boiling.

00:38:52
Yeah.

00:38:53
We've been going through for probably the best, I don't know, 5, 6 months now, a group of guys

00:38:59
on Thursdays.

00:39:00
And I think there's, like, you know, just a spiritual component to side of your body and

00:39:06
body work.

00:39:08
How do you interlace those?

00:39:09
That's a good question.

00:39:10
Like, how are you, you know, do you do you feel like there's a spiritual component that, like,

00:39:14
maybe you're even releasing on somebody as you're working on their body?

00:39:18
It's a little bit deep.

00:39:19
I I guess I'm going really, like, deep and, like, different directions here.

00:39:23
Terms, man.

00:39:24
Yeah.

00:39:24
1000%.

00:39:25
Yeah.

00:39:26
But, there's a, you know, that I felt, you know, there's there is that element of, like,

00:39:31
that, you know, obviously spiritual connection that the body gives life.

00:39:35
Like, you're giving life to people.

00:39:36
Yeah.

00:39:36
I don't know if that makes sense.

00:39:38
And if you can answer it, but go ahead.

00:39:40
For a while now, I've been a big believer that my purpose here on this planet is to help

00:39:45
people fully express and execute their passion and gifts.

00:39:51
But I'm well aware from a young age that if you're in pain or you have a lack of function,

00:39:57
you're not going to be able to do that.

00:39:59
You're not going to be able to help other people.

00:40:01
I mean, like, that's why I need to come see you.

00:40:03
Because, right, like, if I'm hurting, dude, how am I gonna help others, right, and, like, same

00:40:07
with you and you getting treated by the practitioners.

00:40:09
So there's only 200 certified in this in this, electrons plus.

00:40:12
The person

00:40:14
you're total.

00:40:17
200.

00:40:17
200 on the planet.

00:40:18
200 on the planet.

00:40:19
200 on the planet.

00:40:20
Yeah.

00:40:20
So it's not super popular.

00:40:22
Not many people are getting treated.

00:40:23
It's kind of a grassroots kind of a grassroots campaign right now.

00:40:26
Oh, wow.

00:40:28
They didn't wanna scale it too quick and have a bunch of units sitting around collecting dust

00:40:33
because the practitioners were either, you know, going for a cash grab in trying to make a

00:40:38
a bow of the cash or

00:40:40
Yeah.

00:40:41
That they maybe they didn't fully understand it.

00:40:43
Right?

00:40:44
Yeah.

00:40:44
Because to be honest with you, there's a certain amount of suffering that goes into

00:40:48
building the ability to use the device.

00:40:52
It's a lot of power coming into the hands.

00:40:55
It's it's hard on the hands.

00:40:57
And now that I'm almost 2 years in, my hands risk everything feels great.

00:41:02
I'm super, super connected from a neurological standpoint, but it was really hard on

00:41:09
You mean like the physical, like, therapy aspect of it

00:41:11
or no?

00:41:11
The the voltage running through the fingers.

00:41:14
Wow.

00:41:14
When you

00:41:14
wanna dial in enough, to get this little myotome.

00:41:18
Yeah.

00:41:18
I was wondering what you were feeling when you were doing it, and I was feeling the Oh, I'll

00:41:22
let you feel it.

00:41:22
I'll let you feel it through your hands.

00:41:24
Okay.

00:41:24
Yeah.

00:41:24
It's I mean, for a while, my 1st couple months, I was working with 2 full hands on someone

00:41:31
because that's where as we're pulling this voltage through someone.

00:41:34
It's surface area dependent.

00:41:35
So I can go down to a fingertip on someone.

00:41:38
Yeah.

00:41:38
Or I can do two full hands around a joint.

00:41:41
Yeah.

00:41:41
And at the end of the day, it's the same amount of gals being pulled through that connection.

00:41:46
Yeah.

00:41:46
I felt more intensely when you were single finger than when you were like, wide.

00:41:50
Exactly.

00:41:51
I feel like more of a shock

00:41:53
type

00:41:53
of feeling.

00:41:53
Yeah.

00:41:54
Well, damn, tell, let's do this, man, because you we've gotten all party with it, which is I

00:42:00
love.

00:42:00
Like, we don't talk this way, but for someone who has no idea what we're even talking about,

00:42:04
how would you explain this to someone?

00:42:05
Hey, this is what I do.

00:42:06
I do bike.

00:42:09
So to

00:42:10
keep it as surface level as possible, most people have experienced tens unit.

00:42:15
It's a combination of a tens unit, a massage, and almost a little bit of a workout component.

00:42:22
Because we're asking we're asking these muscles to fire.

00:42:26
But then as we move those hands, we're asking them to fire in system.

00:42:30
It's not just one muscle that we're focusing on as we get things all moving together, I'm

00:42:35
moving pretty quick to get an entire system of muscles fighting together the way we're

00:42:39
supposed to.

00:42:40
A lot of your a lot of your trainers or specialists will talk about slings.

00:42:44
You know, there's a network of muscles that work within this fashion network.

00:42:48
And if we can get them all moving together, that's that's where the match is.

00:42:52
Yeah.

00:42:53
So I don't think I simplified it enough there.

00:42:55
I think I think you did.

00:42:56
I mean, I think Yeah.

00:42:57
And I think also, like, what would you say?

00:42:59
Right?

00:42:59
Like, if I'm creating a marketing thing for my chiropractic, it's like, I'm putting, like,

00:43:03
back pain, neck, pain, headaches.

00:43:04
Right?

00:43:04
Like, what are the things what would you say is is it's people most often see you for.

00:43:09
Right?

00:43:10
What do they what do they call on your phone about?

00:43:12
I got this.

00:43:12
I need help.

00:43:13
Or is it just so broad that you you

00:43:14
It's so broad, man.

00:43:15
I've helped I've helped so many people.

00:43:17
It's it's a great adjunct for any kind of surgery.

00:43:22
Instance.

00:43:23
Okay.

00:43:23
Post surgical rehab.

00:43:24
It's huge.

00:43:25
It's huge for relieving the pain associated with being cut open.

00:43:28
It's great for anxiety and depression.

00:43:30
And these are all these are all, like, stamped by the FDA.

00:43:34
This this has shown to help with these things.

00:43:37
Nonunion joint fracture is something that's taken months or longer to heal.

00:43:41
Dude, that's what my that's what my shoulder was.

00:43:43
Right?

00:43:43
Was it really?

00:43:44
So I had that grade 5 separation, had surgery that I freaking broke it where they did surgery

00:43:49
in my clavicle.

00:43:50
I fractured it.

00:43:51
Okay.

00:43:51
It would not heal.

00:43:52
It was, like, 6 months later, it was starting to, like, my body was resorbing the Yeah.

00:43:56
So now that's why I got a freaking plate and screws in there, you know.

00:43:59
But I need I'm gonna need you to dig in this thing.

00:44:01
Yeah, man.

00:44:01
Let's play with it.

00:44:02
I'm looking forward to

00:44:03
it.

00:44:03
Let's

00:44:03
play with it.

00:44:04
It's it's a project and it's it's an experiment.

00:44:07
Yeah.

00:44:07
Let's see

00:44:07
what's going on in there.

00:44:08
Yeah.

00:44:09
Because the tissue is, you know, it's either helping or not, and we're find out real quick

00:44:14
if it is.

00:44:15
Yeah.

00:44:15
I can almost guarantee it's not.

00:44:17
Couple other things, osteoporosis bone mineral density.

00:44:20
That's a that's a good one.

00:44:22
It's been shown to increase bone mineral density and and help prevent sarcopenia or loss

00:44:27
of muscle related with aging.

00:44:28
What's the protocol on that?

00:44:29
Like, how do you how is that?

00:44:31
Like, someone if somebody's gonna come to you and say, hey, I have this.

00:44:33
How do you help me with it?

00:44:34
Or that's like, kinda like a side effect that happens.

00:44:37
It's like, oh, my bone density is getting better.

00:44:40
After doing these.

00:44:41
Is that kinda what you're meaning?

00:44:43
Yeah.

00:44:43
I mean, people aren't necessarily finding me because they have osteoporosis.

00:44:47
A little cut out

00:44:48
there.

00:44:49
Yeah.

00:44:49
But but as as these issues come up with clients who are referred by friends because of pain,

00:44:54
it's almost always pain.

00:44:55
Right?

00:44:56
Yeah.

00:44:56
Got it.

00:44:57
Got it.

00:44:57
Pain is what gets people in the door.

00:44:59
Mhmm.

00:44:59
And then we can show them that, a, there's a there's a better way to to combine some of the

00:45:05
the therapies that they're working on.

00:45:08
And that helps make, say, their chiropractic adjustments more or their workouts more

00:45:14
effective because I can't I can't train every single one of my clients and and work on their

00:45:20
bodies.

00:45:21
But a

00:45:21
lot of times, I'll send clients back out to their trainers with a couple little cues in

00:45:26
mind on, you know, executing the squad or executing the thing gives them a lot of

00:45:30
trouble.

00:45:31
And you combine the reactivation of all of these knee stabilizers with a little little tip

00:45:37
on the execution and people are blowing through their workouts.

00:45:39
Yeah.

00:45:39
Game changer.

00:45:39
Yeah.

00:45:39
That's awesome.

00:45:45
Nice, bro.

00:45:46
We'd love to have you on this show, bro.

00:45:47
We would love to have you back and and learn more about this.

00:45:50
Obviously, let's, let's have you kinda, like, plug yourself and just tell everyone where they

00:45:54
can find you online because I know social media and stuff like that.

00:45:56
So, obviously, your local here in Tampa, but yeah, man, go ahead and share it a little bit

00:46:00
about yourself there.

00:46:01
So my Instagram is up leveled.

00:46:05
Movement.

00:46:06
Up leveled is past tense.

00:46:08
You could just look for me as Jake Naderman.

00:46:12
N a d e r m a n n.

00:46:15
Same thing on Facebook.

00:46:16
Jake Naderman, coaching and training.

00:46:19
The company that I started this last year is called up leveled Movement Performance And

00:46:24
Recovery.

00:46:24
Cool.

00:46:24
So you can

00:46:24
look at the URL of those.

00:46:28
Is that uplevelmovement.com?

00:46:31
I believe so.

00:46:32
Yeah.

00:46:32
All one word uplevelmovement.com.

00:46:35
I see.

00:46:35
Working on getting that website dialed in a little bit.

00:46:39
I've been busy on the front lines, but we're gonna get the website dialed in in 2024.

00:46:43
Sweet.

00:46:44
Gotta check out, Jake.

00:46:45
If you're in Tampa Bay, you got check out the

00:46:47
experience, man.

00:46:48
It's, yeah, it's next level.

00:46:49
Next level.

00:46:49
Next level.

00:46:50
It's good stuff.

00:46:50
I asked this question of every guest that comes on the show because it's so important to us.

00:46:54
This is our mission.

00:46:54
We're talking living full fueled optimizing your life.

00:46:58
We have 6 pillars that we wanna live by, fuel, movement, sleep, mind, work, and spirit.

00:47:04
And if you have all those together, you're gonna be at a, obviously, performing at a high

00:47:07
level.

00:47:08
So tell us, man, what does it mean to you to live full field?

00:47:11
Living full field.

00:47:12
Is all about loving what you're doing and being able to share your gifts with the world.

00:47:19
Heat.

00:47:20
Oh, man.

00:47:21
Smikes dry.

00:47:21
I can tell this guy's so passionate about what he does.

00:47:24
Yeah.

00:47:24
We love to having you on here, brother.

00:47:26
Thank you

00:47:26
so much.

00:47:26
Thank you so much.

00:47:27
Pleasure for

00:47:28
having me.

00:47:28
Was about to for fuel.

00:47:30
Let me out of limits, baby.