Dave Lee is the founder of advanced fundamental health and is the go-to Man for Men seeking to elevate their wellbeing through testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). On this episode, we will explore the transformative work Dave Lee achieves with his clients, the principles behind advanced fundamental health, and how his expertise can empower Men to live a more optimised life.
(0:00) Introduction to Full Fueled and today's topic on testosterone (1:00) Episode overview and guest introduction: Dave Lee (1:34) Dave Lee's background and holistic health journey (4:23) Dave Lee's coaching approach to health and wellness (6:16) Identifying and addressing low testosterone in aging men (9:30) Integrating holistic health practices with TRT (14:32) Enhancing TRT with supplements and lifestyle adjustments (18:31) Key supplements for health optimization: melatonin, glutathione, CBD, and omega-3s (24:27) The critical role of natural micronutrition and exercise for mental health (28:28) The significance of free testosterone in men's health (32:11) Trends in testosterone levels and understanding reference ranges (35:44) Insulin resistance: A comparison between Europe and the US (40:02) Examining lifestyle and dietary patterns in Europe (43:01) The impact of mental health and mindfulness on overall wellbeing (47:55) Building mental resilience through martial arts (50:50) The benefits of grounding practices in health routines (53:21) TRT and its effects on bone density and muscle mass (57:02) Key lifestyle changes for optimal health (59:39) Sponsor: Spread Oaks Farms (1:00:14) Discussing alcohol's effects on wellbeing (1:02:29) The crucial role of sleep quality and managing sleep apnea (1:03:45) Closing thoughts, guest information, and episode conclusion (1:05:05) Sponsor: Nutrition Solutions00:00:00
I'm doing, like, 2, 3 injections a week, daily injections, twice daily transcribing cream.
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I've got my protocol dialed in, but that, you know, drinking 2 beers a night, they're 25%
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body fat.
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They're not training properly.
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They're eating a bullshit diet They're not sleeping properly.
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They've got all these lifestyle deficits that would be leading to testosterone suppression.
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So the body is pumping the brakes, and they're coming in and they're going, I'm smarter than
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you.
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I'm gonna pump the accelerator.
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And what happens?
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The car's not Driving forward smoothly.
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Alright, sweet.
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Welcome back to the full fueled podcast with your host.
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Matt Tack.
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And doctor Alfred Alessi, we got a fun episode today, man, a really cool guy in the space of
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testosterone optimization and just men's health in general.
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Dave Lee is the creator,
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owner, and coach of advanced fundamental
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health where he has spent the past 5 years coaching thousands of clients in the practice
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and use of TRT and
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hormones for health optimization.
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He's the author of 2 soon to be three books and has over a
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100 informational videos on YouTube including the most viewed videos on DHT and pregnant
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alone.
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Dave, thank you for joining us, and welcome to Full Field, man.
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Thank you for having me.
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And not to mention he's got an epic beard too.
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So I'm totally We're Totally digging, man.
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3 out of 3 on season 2 with the epic beards.
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Everyone's got epic beards out, Ezra.
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There is an odd one out on your end.
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I did notice that.
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I didn't wanna say anything.
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That's all good, man.
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Real recognizes real right here.
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But awesome, man.
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Well, it's great to have you on the show.
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Thanks for taking your time.
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Just to get going, man, can you give us a little background about yourself, kind of your
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journey in the health and wellness space, how you got into what you're doing, and why
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ultimately you started the advanced fundamental health?
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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So, in a former life, I was actually into digital marketing and music.
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So I was formally a musician and my I did my undergrad in marketing.
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I had a traumatic brain injury in my mid twenties, and I was, rendered, quite
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incapacitated from it.
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I had a lot of difficulty walking, and, I was given the prognosis that it was incurable.
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So this took me a very long story short, but it took me back to university to get my,
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postgraduate studies in neuropsychiatry.
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I ended up chopping out of that field because I wasn't a fan of a lot of the approaches in
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psychiatric medicine.
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And that led me to a combination of a brain rehabilitation supported with hormone
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replacement therapy.
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Not only for the mechanisms of newer restoration that the TRT allowed me to,
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activate, but also the resilience, determination, and drive to be able to get
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through a very difficult period in my life.
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At the end of this, I wasn't really interested in anything else except helping men go through
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their struggles and also help men navigate the field of hormone replacement therapy.
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When I started TRT in Australia, there was one doctor in the whole country who was prescribing
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it.
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I think at the time, my My friend, Jay Campbell, had the only book in the space
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available on the subject.
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And there was a huge lack of information, and there was a huge group of men who were also
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struggling with the same thing that I'd struggled with a few years prior.
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So over the, the COVID period, I transitioned into doing health coaching full time because it
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was just something that I had a lot more expertise in than my former, field.
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And it also gave me a lot more fulfillment.
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So I've been doing that ever since coaching guys through hormone replacement therapy
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journey.
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And and in the, in the time I've been doing that, I've niched into a few more complex areas
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helping guys troubleshoot areas that maybe their providers or clinics aren't privy to.
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And that's led me to speaking at the Olympia, a couple of years in a row.
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I'll be heading back over to Vegas this year to speak at the Olympia again, as well as a few,
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you know, international summits.
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And, yeah, it's led me to being also an educator in the space as well, which has been
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very exciting.
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But most importantly helping 1000 and 1000 of men all over the world, get their TRT dialed in
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and and get their health and life back together.
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Man, that's awesome.
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And we have a mutual friend in Jake Campbell.
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He was on our show, maybe what, like, 8 months ago or something.
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He's an awesome guy.
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He's local here in Tampa as well.
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So that was a really cool conversation we had with him.
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And it's the same thing that he talks about that you're kinda talking about is, like,
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optimizing it, right, not just replacing it.
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And, you know, I think a lot of people, it's it's our own story that then kind of leads us
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to wanna help other people.
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You know?
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Absolutely.
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There's, you know, testosterone replacement therapy and there's testosterone optimization
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therapy.
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And I think that, you know, getting bogged down on definitions isn't really helpful for for
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anything.
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But for the sake of what we're talking about there, it's the idea that there's a very basic
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way to do the ERT, which is better than nothing, but there are tweaks and increments to
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not just the TRT protocol, but also the diet, the lifestyle, everything around it that allows
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the hormone optimization
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therapy to deliver a whole extra
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league of benefits beyond what just a you know, one jab or 2 jabs a week of testosterone can.
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And I think that the majority of guys, when they start TRT, their goals are not just to
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replace testosterone.
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They want to have a high libido.
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They wanna have great cognitive function.
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They wanna have great physical health.
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They wanna have sleep.
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They wanna have everything that goes with it.
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And testosterone replacement therapy alone does not do that.
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And I think that that's what has carved the need in the market for people like myself,
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people like Jay, you know, other practitioners all over the world in the states who helping
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men to use testosterone replacement therapy as a foundation to truly optimize all aspects of
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their health.
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Yeah.
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That's
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huge.
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One of the one of the things, you know, I've even had kind of my road of you know, getting
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blood work done and then ultimately coming back from getting, but optimizing the therapy.
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Right?
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So I'm more of a 3 week injectable guy, where I just feel like that there's a stronger cadence
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throughout the week for me, but, as we go into maybe a little bit more of the nerdy side of,
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like, testosterone and testosterone optimization therapy, what what is like that,
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you know, one side effect that, usually comes out and maybe guys that are that are in the
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aging population.
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They might be getting into their later thirties.
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What is, like, something that you could just bring to light that is usually where, hey.
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This is something maybe where you need to get testosterone checked out?
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That's a good question.
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It pops up in different categories for different people, but I would say the most
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common thing that the 2 most common things that guys would come up with.
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I know the answer.
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The question was for 1, but I'm gonna give 2.
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1 is reduced sexual capacity or or reduced sexual function overall.
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And this can be anything from incomplete directions.
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This can be, you know, indifference towards sex.
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This can just be a significantly lower libido than what they're used
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to having.
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And I think that that's an important proxy for a man's overall drive.
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I think that sex drive for a man is a manifestation of his overall drive towards
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life.
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So I think that that's the area that it can often show up in in terms of the area that he's
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the most aware of, but it has also started trickling into other aspects of his life as
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well, but that might not be top of mind for him.
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The other thing that pops up a lot is that guys just don't
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have the correct body composition that they should have so their outputs and inputs don't
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align.
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So guys are eating well, training well, and they look like shit.
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And they're in a scenario where they're like, hey.
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I'm actually doing everything right, and they might be in a situation where their personal
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trainer's being like, hey.
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You know, if you're not counting your macros properly, you're not tracking your sources,
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like, you know, shit like that, that they're like, no.
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I'm actually doing this stuff right.
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And my body's not responding the way that it it should be responding.
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And this can be a very frustrating point for guys because if they don't dive into what's
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going on and resolve it, they'll end up becoming discouraged and shaded because they're
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not getting the results they deserve from their training and their nutrition.
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And they'll be more likely to fall towards the path of least resistance because they're not
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the juice is not worth the squeeze.
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So those two things tend to be the things that pop up the most.
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Yeah.
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That's, that's one thing that I was just thinking about as you were talking to is how
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critical it is because I've been I've been following you and that mindset approach is, and
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it just goes back to Napoleon Hill and thinking growth bridge is, like, the trans sect mutation
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side of things.
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You can utilize that, you know, the drive for sex and other capacities of life to really
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think and process more clearly.
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So I appreciate you explaining that.
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That's, I think that's critical for men to understand kind of when the time is right when
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you have an indifference towards sex, how that can impact just so many other areas of your
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life?
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Yeah.
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Hey.
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You mentioned, you know, TRT not being, like, the end all.
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Right?
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It's like, it's fantastic.
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Right?
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And it it's a an amazing therapy.
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But what are, you know, if we get a little bit kind of like into the details, what are some of
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the other things that you would recommend, like, to aid in that or to add on Right?
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Like, if you're talking about, hey, a guy's trying to optimize his hormones and his health
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in general, you know, in every aspect of of his life, what are some of the other things that go
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in tandem with the TRT?
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Oh, okay.
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That's a great question.
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So
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And I know that's kind of open, so go where you want with it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I'll I'll kinda cover everything, and then we can kinda drill down on specifics.
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So Sweet.
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This is where there's a lot of I don't like using the word misinformation because that was
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COVID propaganda, but there's a lot of bullshit online about this area.
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And I actually wrote a book called Beyond TRT to dispel a whole bunch of these myths.
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So when you go on testosterone replacement therapy, it doesn't create a need to take every
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other hormone that the body produces.
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It doesn't create an acquired deficiency in what are called the upstream hormones, but the
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analogy whether smooth this fire rings true.
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So if you're a man and you've got age related hormone decline or you've got secondary,
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hormones impression from, you know, diet and lifestyle issues or whatever's lead led you in
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needing TRT.
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There is a good chance that testosterone is not the only hormone in the body that's
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dysregulated.
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And one of the biggest mistakes people make is they either think they have to take every
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hormone, which they don't.
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Or they think that they just have to solve all their problems with testosterone, and that
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doesn't work either.
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So it's very important that guys are working with a practitioner who can assess for all
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hormones.
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So things like thyroid, pregnant alone, DHEA growth hormone are are very important to be
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looking at.
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As well as melatonin.
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So from a hormone standpoint and an overall health standpoint, it is integral that men are
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looking at all aspects of the health.
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You're upgrading your testosterone levels is like upgrading the engine in your car.
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I mean, great key component, but if the other areas of the car need a service, the
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testosterone actually might not be good for the the vehicle.
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So if you upgrade a car that is in dire need of the service in all capacity, and you just come
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in and put a Lamborghini engine into it, you might rip out of the car park, but it's gonna
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fall apart in 8 to 12 weeks, and this shows up the side effects.
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So it's important that guys are getting that overall health assessed.
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Liver disease is something that pops up all the time that I see fatty liver disease is a huge
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one as well as insulin resistance, which is particularly prevalent in the United States.
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Less of an issue over here in Eastern Europe, but insulin resistance is a big problem.
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Jay has championed the messaging on this all credit to him has been harping on about it for
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about a decade about insulin resistance being one of the number one causes of side effects on
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TRT.
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And that's something that can often be remedied both with adjunct treatments, but primarily
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with diet and lifestyle.
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And the other things to be looking at, and I guess this kind of come back to comes back to
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the car analogy as well, that there's a very simple paradigm which gets overlooked because
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it's not something you can sell in a pill.
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And maybe it requires a bit more critical thinking than than some, TRT plan so capable
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of.
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But what guys need to understand is that if you want to have the healthy testosterone levels
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that you should have, so if you want to have the levels of a healthy man, your age, you need
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to be a healthy man your age to be able to tolerate those levels.
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Otherwise, it's not going to work.
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And this is the one of the biggest problems that I see every day in terms of guys trying to
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resolve these issues.
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They're going, you know, my testosterone protocol is good.
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I'm doing, like, 2, 3 injections a week, daily injections, twice daily transcribing cream.
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I've got my protocol dialed in, but that, you know, drinking 2 beers a night, they're 25%
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body fat.
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They're not training properly.
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They're eating a bullshit diet.
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They're not sleeping properly.
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They've got all these lifestyle deficits that would be leading to testosterone suppression.
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So the body is pumping the brakes, and they're coming in and they're going, I'm smarter than
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you.
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I'm gonna pump the accelerator.
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And what happens?
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The car's not driving forward smoothly.
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It's stuttering.
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And this is showing up in side effects.
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So this is one of the biggest issues that we see as a disconnect between the testosterone
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levels that guys are injecting and the testosterone levels that they realistically
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should have.
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And this is what causes the issues.
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So a lot of the time with men, it's as simple as putting the right testosterone number in,
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Bob's your uncle, everything's sweet, and they go about, and they have a very happy, healthy
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life.
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But for the other guys, when that doesn't work out, well, generally, there's a deficit going
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on in the overall, holistic health paradigm that a lot of the time they don't wanna look at
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because that's difficult.
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It's uncomfortable.
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It's potentially something they've known they've needed to fix for a long time, but have
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still been putting it off.
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And this can be the ugly wake up call to go, hey, if you wanna if you wanna feel optimized,
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you actually have to do the fucking work.
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And this can sometimes be a very rude slap in the face for guys because they're not willing
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to accept that.
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And that causes issues.
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Yeah.
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I think, I mean, the kind of the takeaway is it's not a magic bullet.
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Right?
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If you're a flaming human dumpster fire, right, like, if you're if you're metabolically
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dysregulated and your body's not, you know, in a a state of, like, somewhat decent health, you
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you can take testosterone, but it's not gonna be the end all be all.
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So I, a 100% agree with that, man.
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There's so much there's so much that goes into the human body and and maintaining health.
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For sure.
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Let's dive a little bit into this because you had mentioned, one that I'm always curious
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about, and that's melatonin and your impact on sleep.
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Obviously, there's gonna that cater towards, like, a a balanced life.
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And then if you could dive on the backside of that a little bit more, what I've approached to
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as a supplementary device, obviously, you know, more hyper her hypertrophy, within my day to
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day getting in resistance training.
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And then as well as the micro vitamin intake, one thing I've really dialed in on is
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incorporating, Ashuganda and creatine, as supplementary devices to aid.
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But is there anything specific that you would call out to to really add on.
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Maybe it's 2 or 3 things that give a good cadence for that total body optimization.
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Yeah.
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I like this topic because it's like, I I I look at these as there tend to be 2 categories of
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interventions that guys need.
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There's categories of interventions that you need, which are specific for you.
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And these are, you know, dealing with people's maybe not unique challenges.
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People tend to fall into buckets, but then there's also this category of, like, what are
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supplements or what are things that everyone can do, and maybe the supplements are things
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that people don't necessarily need, but everyone could benefit from.
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And I think they're really good to talk about because the supplement industry is a multi
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$1 industry, and there's a Gajillion 1 things that you can take
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and they're very well marketed.
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So it's a it's a great question.
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I really like Melatonin.
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But I do also recognize that in practice, not everyone responds well to Melatonin.
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Some guys will take 0.1 milligram, and they will be like a zombie for the entire day.
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So if you don't tolerate melatonin, my my friend, Doctor Keith Nicholson, and I have a
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great video on YouTube.
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It's actually my most viewed video, which is interesting of all subjects.
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It's on on melatonin.
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We shot it a couple of months ago.
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And I I made the statement that you should take you should take as much melatonin as you can
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tolerate.
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But for some people, that's 0 and that's important to recognize.
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But melatonin is one of the body's chief antioxidants.
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It's not that good of a sleep aid relative to other things, but it is extremely good for you.
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And for a lot of people, I would argue for everyone, melatonin production is to some
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degree compliment.
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And this can be improved, and this should primarily be improved by interventions in terms
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of, you know, not looking at screens right before you go to bed, not having all the lights
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on in the house, you know, getting morning sunlight, you know, lining up your circadian
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rhythm, all that kind of stuff.
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Super important.
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But I think when we're looking at I don't like using the word biohack, but that's what it is.
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If we're gonna look at biohacks, optimizing melatonin signaling may be one of the things
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that over a lifetime makes a huge difference in your overall health outcomes because it's one
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of your body's chief antioxidants.
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I'm gonna pronounce his name wrong, so my apologies to him.
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But, John Lawrence law Lawrence, but he has a book called the, the miracle molecule, which is
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on on melatonin, and he talks about very high dose melatonin in there.
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And the patient population, actually, I'm gonna be careful with my vocabulary.
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The client population that I work with who benefits the most from high dose melatonin are
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people with chronic injuries that prevent them from getting comfortable when they sleep.
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So if you've got bad hips, bad back, herniated discs, you know, issues in your body that you
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physically find it hard to get comfortable and rest at night, melatonin in higher doses.
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So I'm talking like 10, 20 milligrams up.
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Tends to really shine for those in those categories.
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The other molecules that I would be looking at
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that I think are universally beneficial on TRT.
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The other one is glutathione.
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Your melatonin and glutathione, your body 2 primary endogenous antioxidants, meaning that
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the other 2 naturally occurring antioxidants in the human body.
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And when we look at the stresses and the, toxic issues and the modern environment that we're
00:18:53
dealing with, I think preventatively safeguarding against those things is probably
00:18:58
the most
00:18:58
beneficial thing from a supplemental standpoint because vitamins and nutrients you can if you
00:18:58
try get them from diet.
00:18:58
Can't get good to fire on in diet.
00:19:07
And a lot of people genetically don't make glutathione as well as they think they do.
00:19:11
The caviar glutathione is that it needs to be in a reduced form or a liposomal form.
00:19:17
Otherwise, it's not bioavailable.
00:19:18
There's a myth that you have to take NAC to to increase gluten levels in the body.
00:19:23
This is not only just completely untrue, but the problem with using NAC long term is it will
00:19:29
disrupt the, the biofilms in the gut.
00:19:32
And most particularly, it will disrupt the gut mucosal lining.
00:19:35
It's actually used as a biofilm disruptor in the gut.
00:19:38
So not good for long term gut health is effective for increasing glutathione, but
00:19:43
honestly, it's a poor man's glutathione and people should just spend the money and take
00:19:47
real goodathione.
00:19:48
So I like melatonin and glutathione.
00:19:50
And then if I was to add an extra one to that, I think Cbd oil is worth looking at for anyone
00:19:55
who is stressed, anxious, stressed, difficulty sleeping, racing mind, you know, chronic
00:20:01
injury, stuff like that.
00:20:02
I think CBD and high dose omega 3 fish oil.
00:20:04
With the caveat being it has to be excellent quality fish oil, not rancid, not full of
00:20:10
mercury, triglyceride form.
00:20:12
Looking at a therapeutic dose of omega 3 fish oil, like 2 to 4 grams of combined EPA DHA per
00:20:17
day with I think Cbd shines in lower doses like 10 to 50 milligrams.
00:20:22
I think in higher doses, it may have anti androgenic effects.
00:20:26
So lower doses of Cbd, higher doses of omega 3, melatonin, and glutathione.
00:20:31
If people wanna optimize their health beyond TRT, I mean, those are worth looking at.
00:20:35
And then beyond that, I would defer to Jay's work on low dose desiccated thyroid and growth
00:20:42
hormone supplementation.
00:20:44
I think that approach as a whole.
00:20:47
That's like the deluxe edition of TRT that guys can book out.
00:20:51
Yeah.
00:20:51
It's it's cool you say that I actually just went through a, a course of the 10 day
00:20:57
bipeptide bioregulators.
00:20:58
Right?
00:20:58
The, thyreagen is the thyroid one.
00:21:00
You know?
00:21:01
And I've I've struggled with, like, Hashimoto's in the past.
00:21:03
I actually got it basically healed to where the the markers were under wraps.
00:21:08
You wouldn't even have known I had it, but it kinda spikes from time to time.
00:21:12
Right?
00:21:12
If at times of heavier stress and stuff like that, So that's something that I'll do every
00:21:17
probably 3 or 4 months is do one of those 10 day courses of the bioregulators, and that's
00:21:21
the dedicated thyroid.
00:21:23
Are there any things like more, you know, because I think I feel like the the official,
00:21:27
the CBD to die on these.
00:21:28
I don't wanna say these are commonplace.
00:21:30
These are just more well known.
00:21:31
Anything like more fringe, like peptides or stuff like that that that's kinda cool.
00:21:36
That's like, you know, more more new technology that you can think of.
00:21:43
Maybe I'm old fashioned.
00:21:44
I'm super conservative
00:21:45
with it.
00:21:45
That's cool too.
00:21:46
Yeah.
00:21:47
And the reason why I'm super conservative with it is that I guess because I had a history of
00:21:52
having a brain injury, it makes me veer on the side of caution, but we're looking at someone
00:21:57
who's healthy who wants to get healthier, I think if something lacks long term human
00:22:01
studies, I think the question is, like, is the risk to reward ratio in favor of reward if
00:22:06
we're dealing with the unknown as a variable?
00:22:09
And I think with a lot of these things, they all go well until they don't.
00:22:13
And I have concerns that particularly with a whole bunch of these newer peptides are not all
00:22:18
peptides.
00:22:18
Some peptides, I think, is phenomenal.
00:22:20
BBC does lack human data, but it is an endogenously occurring human peptides.
00:22:25
Like, I think that that's something that the risk to reward ratio is in favor of reward.
00:22:30
I've used it extensively personally.
00:22:32
But I think that when we're looking at, you know, health optimization, I really like to
00:22:37
focus on what can we do, not what can we take because Yeah.
00:22:41
Again, I'm just a little bit conservative with this stuff because I do worry that guys are
00:22:45
throwing all caution to the wind with the more fringe stuff when it's not something that's
00:22:50
necessarily needed.
00:22:51
And I would hate for guys to, you know, take something new and trendy and novel because it
00:22:55
sounds cool.
00:22:56
And then find out that later it led to them getting cancer in their late thirties, early
00:22:59
forties, or led to, you know, kind of incurable condition that, we don't really know how to
00:23:05
fix.
00:23:07
And, you know, I don't wanna get too into, stuff that will get us banned, but I think in
00:23:11
the last few years, I think if guys haven't learned the consequences of taking
00:23:16
pharmaceuticals that don't have long term human data, I I think if guys haven't learned that
00:23:20
lesson, they may never they may never learn it.
00:23:22
But, yeah, I'm I'm a little bit I I prefer to double down on the things that are really
00:23:26
valuable for human health.
00:23:27
And the thing that I see that works really well in practice, and, you know, it sounds boring
00:23:32
because it's not sexy, but it's being across everything.
00:23:36
And in in my experience, guys will tend to double down on their strengths in the hope of
00:23:41
neglecting their weaknesses or sorry, in the hope of compensating for the weaknesses than
00:23:45
neglecting.
00:23:46
So for example, guys might have, you know, be more type a in personality type.
00:23:50
They'll double down in stimulant stacks.
00:23:52
Productivity routines and ice spots and so on and cardio, but completely neglect their sleep
00:23:57
quality, which is leading them to need all of those things in the first place.
00:24:01
I constantly see guys trying to fix their psychology with their biology.
00:24:01
So they try to biohack their
00:24:01
mental health when they've just got underlying psychological thought patterns and traumas that
00:24:11
need to be resolved.
00:24:12
And I also see things the other way around.
00:24:13
Guys try to, you know, manifest and psychologically overcome issues that are to do
00:24:13
with physical poor health.
00:24:13
Things like know, you can go to a therapist or you want, but if you have Hashimoto's, you're
00:24:24
gonna be depressed.
00:24:25
Like, it's it's just that's biology.
00:24:27
So I really double down on the things that I know that are safe and good to people.
00:24:32
And the stuff that I've seen that really works well in place of, like, the more novel
00:24:36
franchise shit is massively increasing bioavailable micro nutrition.
00:24:42
And I prefer to do it with things that come from nature.
00:24:45
So things like organ meats, things like high quality organic greens, things like high doses
00:24:49
of amiga fish oil, as well as, you know, just natural super foods like grass fed, red meat,
00:24:55
egg yolks, things like this.
00:24:57
And when guys really flood their body with really good quality micronutrition regularly
00:25:02
for a long period of time, I think that's what leads to the outcomes that they're looking to
00:25:08
achieve from the short term biohacks.
00:25:10
That's just what I've seen.
00:25:12
Yeah.
00:25:12
That's right.
00:25:13
And it's I I think exercise too just to piggyback on that.
00:25:15
It's like you're you're tired.
00:25:17
You're depressed.
00:25:17
Go freaking for a walk or
00:25:19
run or
00:25:19
go move your body.
00:25:20
Remove my.
00:25:21
Yeah.
00:25:21
Yeah.
00:25:22
Yeah.
00:25:22
And that I made a I made a joke the other day on on my social media that, like, back when I
00:25:27
was growing up in in Australia, and I'm sure you had them as well.
00:25:30
There were these, like, infomercials for these, like, bullshit, like, home gym equipment things
00:25:34
that would be like that.
00:25:35
Chrome 2000 and stuff like that.
00:25:37
And it was like, you know, 20 or 30 minutes a day and you end up like this.
00:25:41
And all the people who used to laugh at that are probably obese and on fucking
00:25:45
antidepressants now.
00:25:46
And if they just got the Avtran 2000, they probably would have worked out better for them
00:25:50
and the side effect written drugs that they're taking at the moment.
00:25:53
So one of the most important things that guys can do for their mental health, if if they're
00:25:57
in a situation, just get an, again, shout out to Jay for this.
00:26:00
Jay is like the cardio king.
00:26:02
Get a cardio machine at home.
00:26:04
Like, especially if you work from home, especially if you're doing a sedentary job, you
00:26:08
know, cardio machine and a TRx and some bands.
00:26:11
And that stuff in combination with TRT, like testosterone replacement therapy gives guys the
00:26:17
foundation to, like, build themselves into the best version of themselves that they can
00:26:21
possibly be.
00:26:22
But the workload isn't any different.
00:26:24
You just have the capacity to be able to do and respond to the workload appropriately.
00:26:29
You still gotta do a shitload of work to be able to get to that level.
00:26:32
And Jay is a great example of that.
00:26:34
So I think when we're looking at these, you know, biohacks and things that guys can do,
00:26:38
it's like, if you're gonna be getting into peptides, if you're gonna be getting into
00:26:41
fringe stuff, only do that if you've already got all of those foundations nailed to the
00:26:47
point that you've plateaued and then look at that stuff if you want to.
00:26:51
But I think guys rush to that stuff because it's easier to jab a peptide every day than do
00:26:55
45 minutes of cardio.
00:26:57
Yeah.
00:26:57
I think that was almost kind of a personal question I wanted to know for myself than more
00:27:01
so for the audience because, like, dialed in on my exercise.
00:27:04
My nutrition's dialed in as well.
00:27:05
And, like, you know, I'm on the TRT and the peptides and stuff.
00:27:08
So I'm like, I'm always kinda I I kind of maybe am the opposite of you.
00:27:11
I I like being a guinea pig sometimes.
00:27:13
Yes.
00:27:14
I know there's risk to it too, but I'm like, I'm gonna recommend something or make a a
00:27:17
reference about something, I like to try it first.
00:27:20
You know, if it doesn't seem to to work or help, then I usually stop.
00:27:23
But, yeah.
00:27:24
I don't wanna get I don't wanna get too personal, but if you've got under, like, I'll
00:27:28
I'll send you that I've done on what I call subclinical Hashimoto.
00:27:31
So if you've got, like, Hashimoto's antibodies that are present, but not flaring, especially
00:27:38
on TRT, because a lot of the metabolism of testosterone is regulated by T3.
00:27:44
So if you've got issues with, you know, thyroid functionality using things to reduce reverse T3
00:27:50
and then optimize thyroid levels.
00:27:52
So, you know, even just like a low dose of NDT,
00:27:55
like 15 to 30 milligrams of NDT or
00:27:55
up to 60 milligrams of NDT, in conjunction with something like phosphate or searing or like
00:28:03
what you'd mentioned before Ashwagonda to bring cortisol down.
00:28:06
Those two things in tandem, even if your thyroid looks okay on paper, I've never met,
00:28:13
and I will stand by this statement because I work with this category of guys all the time.
00:28:17
We were trying to optimize.
00:28:19
I've never met someone with detectable levels of Hashimoto who didn't do better with at least
00:28:24
a little bit of NDT.
00:28:27
Nice.
00:28:27
Thank you for that.
00:28:28
Yeah.
00:28:29
That's that's good.
00:28:29
And just to double down that a little bit more to explain it because my understanding,
00:28:33
obviously, when you look at testosterone, every every guy wants to know his number, like, just
00:28:37
give me my number.
00:28:38
Right?
00:28:39
We get we coach a bunch of guys and they wanna know their number.
00:28:42
But the real delicate number is what your free testosterone, the utilization of that free
00:28:46
testosterone, can you build into that a little bit?
00:28:50
Yeah.
00:28:51
So free testosterone is definitely the most important number.
00:28:54
One thing that we don't really understand too well is the role of bound testosterone.
00:28:58
So I think some people completely dismiss total testosterone.
00:29:02
I think it plays a role, but free testosterone is at least 80 to 90% of the role of antigens
00:29:08
in the body when we're looking at symptoms of, either optimized testosterone or hypogonitis.
00:29:14
Absolutely.
00:29:15
So the free testosterone level is going to be determined by the residual testosterone, which
00:29:21
is floating around after your total testosterone has been bound by your 2 binding
00:29:26
proteins, which are albumin and SHPG.
00:29:29
Albumin tends to be relatively consistent across most patient populations outside of
00:29:34
people with liver disease, but SHPG varies a symptom.
00:29:38
Even in healthy guys.
00:29:39
You can have high shbg, low shbg shbg in the middle.
00:29:43
And what free testosterone is going to determine is how much how many androgens are
00:29:49
floating around at that point which can activate the receptor and do testosterone
00:29:52
stuff?
00:29:53
So I use the analogy of a pinball table.
00:29:56
You don't get points from the balls being on the table.
00:29:58
They have to hit ship to get you points.
00:30:00
So the more free testosterone you have floating around, the more balls you have on the table,
00:30:05
but they also have to activate the antigen receptor.
00:30:08
So it's a little bit more nuance.
00:30:10
And when we're looking at free testosterone, we've got, okay, this is a proxy for how much
00:30:14
testosterone or how many balls on the table were flying around at this point.
00:30:19
But what we're not able to measure is things like androgen receptor availability.
00:30:23
We're not able to measure things like estrogen receptor availability.
00:30:26
DHT levels are not very accurate to measure because it's a power grind hormone.
00:30:31
So it's a it's a useful tool but it only gives us half the picture, and the other half the
00:30:37
picture is the symptoms.
00:30:39
The problem is that low testosterone symptoms are very ambiguous, and a lot of low
00:30:44
testosterone symptoms are just a result of life circumstances, lifestyle, drugs, alcohol, junk
00:30:51
food, not doing enough exercise.
00:30:52
Not only will that stuff lower testosterone, but it will lead to feeling like shit, which
00:30:57
loads of self stirring will also do.
00:30:59
So it's a it's a tricky thing to look at, but if we're going to look at one market that's
00:31:03
going to give a good indication of antigenic function.
00:31:07
It's going to be free testosterone.
00:31:09
And the problem is that the range for this has dropped off a fucking cliff in the last 5
00:31:15
years, but even over the last 20 years, it's been an exponential downwards curve.
00:31:20
Where every year over here in Australia, the bottom end drops by another 10%.
00:31:24
It's ridiculous.
00:31:25
So in this day and age, if you have a free testosterone that's not in the upper half of
00:31:32
the range, maybe the upper quartile of the range depending on the range you're looking at.
00:31:37
Your symptoms, if they are negative and you don't feel well, may be related to low
00:31:42
testosterone and the lower the free testosterone, the more likely those symptoms
00:31:47
are going to be coming from the testosterone
00:31:51
And yeah.
00:31:52
Yeah.
00:31:52
That's that's great.
00:31:53
If I'm correct, it's the the reason that that that, like, bar is being lowered is because
00:31:58
rather than us keeping the standard high and saying, hey.
00:32:01
You need to get healthier, they're lowering it to match how unhealthy people are.
00:32:05
Is that correct?
00:32:05
I mean, it's like they're basically, like, lowering the standards of where we should be in
00:32:08
these reference ranges.
00:32:11
Yeah.
00:32:11
It's a good question as to why this is happening.
00:32:13
There's definitely theories that it's an agenda driven, a approach.
00:32:17
I think that it's, I mean, when we studied science at university, the reference range is
00:32:21
determined by the mean and the standard deviation.
00:32:24
So, basically, it's a recalculation of averages.
00:32:27
The problem is that, like, if you look at a woman's estrogen and progesterone levels, for
00:32:32
example, It's adjusted to where she is in her cycle and if she's menopausal.
00:32:36
For a man, it's not adjusted for age at all.
00:32:39
So whether you are eighteen or 80, the reference range is going to be the same.
00:32:45
And not only is this ridiculous, but it's also extremely misleading because the average GP
00:32:50
and, you know, no disrespect to doctors, you know, the the smart people.
00:32:54
I mean, they got through fucking medical school, but if a doctor's, you know, a jackup
00:32:58
trades, and he's across a lot of things, and he has a look and goes, well, your testosterone
00:33:01
levels in the middle of the range.
00:33:03
So it's not likely that your symptoms are symptoms are coming from that.
00:33:06
That's a fair guess based on the paradigm they're operating in.
00:33:09
It's wrong.
00:33:10
But it's a fair guess because they can't be experts in everything.
00:33:13
But the problem is that guys are going to their doctor with the negative symptoms.
00:33:17
They're looking into their testosterone levels.
00:33:19
And then they're getting told, oh, well, it's not coming from that.
00:33:22
And the treatment in our guideline book is to give you an SSRI antidepressant, which makes
00:33:27
everything far worse.
00:33:28
So what's likely going on is that when we look at the average population of guys who are
00:33:34
getting their testosterone checked, It tends to be older guys as part of like a prostate
00:33:39
worker.
00:33:40
So when and also the average male population, particularly in the US, is overweight.
00:33:45
So when the average guy is not healthy and then the average guy who's getting his testosterone
00:33:50
checked, is elderly, it's going to lead to a lowered reference range.
00:33:54
And then we've also just got the decline of testosterone levels.
00:33:57
I graduated high school in 2009, and one thing that was very interesting for me when I went
00:34:02
back to the 10 year reunion.
00:34:04
Is that there was a photo of all of us in the year 12.
00:34:07
So we graduated in Western Australia when we're 17.
00:34:10
So there was the graduating class of 2009.
00:34:12
There was the graduating class of 2019, and then there was also the graduating class of
00:34:17
9989.
00:34:19
So these are all seventeen year olds a decade apart.
00:34:21
And it was like looking from grown men to children.
00:34:24
It was a stark contrast.
00:34:26
Every 10 years, the men were just less androgenic, smaller, and mika, I think if we
00:34:31
look around these days at the average eighteen, nineteen, twenty year old, I mean, you'd have
00:34:36
to be in just delusional denial to say, oh, yeah, testosterone levels are thriving these
00:34:42
days.
00:34:42
I mean, it's very obvious.
00:34:43
They're not.
00:34:44
Yeah.
00:34:44
Yeah.
00:34:45
We were talking to Jay too, and, you know, this is probably one of the reasons, that that the
00:34:51
they do a standard deviation on the kind of the greater population, but what we're seeing is
00:34:57
obviously a decline.
00:34:58
I don't believe that all even Australia is an emerging market.
00:35:01
I think they're staying in overall general population.
00:35:03
It's declining very much the same in the United States where we aren't re reproducing at a
00:35:08
faster rate.
00:35:09
So my question was to him, is it is it because people are having sex less often, And he's
00:35:14
like, that's exactly right.
00:35:15
So he's like, men are indifferent towards sex, what you referred to earlier in this.
00:35:20
And then the first person that they go to is what, you know, and this is for audience sake
00:35:26
as a GP general practitioner, who never has a focus point that probably doesn't actually know
00:35:31
how to read biometric blood work, and they don't have a general understanding of what
00:35:35
levels to look at.
00:35:37
And so you're not going to a specialized individual that can understand where your home
00:35:42
own balances are.
00:35:43
So that's where you come into play.
00:35:44
And that's, I mean, that's just some amazing information.
00:35:47
I do have a question for you because you brought this up, and I'd love to get the
00:35:51
dynamic in terms of European culture versus United States culture.
00:35:55
And you mentioned something on specifically about insulin resistance.
00:35:59
Right?
00:36:00
And then my question to that is, like, why is that?
00:36:03
Why is there such a, like, you know, we're we're groupings of people that do a lot of,
00:36:09
like, similar things.
00:36:11
Right?
00:36:11
But at the same time, America is so different than any other country.
00:36:15
Obviously.
00:36:16
And we have a major major problem with that.
00:36:18
Can you what is the difference in Europe and why why is it that America is struggling so
00:36:23
much more than Europe?
00:36:25
Yeah.
00:36:25
So I've been living in, Lithuania for the last 5 years.
00:36:29
And for those who don't know where Lithuania is, it's very understandable.
00:36:32
I didn't know where it was.
00:36:35
It's it's north of Poland.
00:36:36
So it's it's technically, it's not Eastern Europe because we're further north than that.
00:36:41
Technically, it's the Baltic States, but culturally, you know, people, if they're
00:36:44
watching it from Lithuania, I'm sorry, but culturally, the Baltics are Eastern Europe.
00:36:50
So I can't speak for the culture for the rest of Europe, but and I think, you know, Western
00:36:55
Europe is is probably becoming more like, you know, America, Australia, and and the UK.
00:36:59
But when we look at Eastern European culture, there's 2 fundamental differences.
00:37:03
One is people walk more And it's because the towns are set up that or the cities, you know,
00:37:08
typically they're divided into Old Town and Newtown Areas.
00:37:11
The cities are just a lot more walkable.
00:37:14
It's just easier to get around walking because of how things are situated.
00:37:17
And culturally, it's just built into the lifestyle more.
00:37:20
So know, I've I've seen people's, like, health apps on their iPhone, just people who aren't
00:37:25
fitness conscious, and they're getting an average of 10 to 15 steps a day just
00:37:29
because it's just part of the day.
00:37:32
So that's a factor is people move more but the food is also significantly different.
00:37:37
So over here, the the supermarkets are laid out very differently.
00:37:40
We you can still buy a crap here.
00:37:42
I mean, they have fucking prime here now and all that other shit made it here, you know,
00:37:47
finally.
00:37:47
But, so there is still some Americanized crap on the shelf.
00:37:51
But culturally, people don't really like it.
00:37:53
Maybe the younger generations getting into it a little bit from YouTube influence.
00:37:56
But, typically, the supermarkets have more perimeter food and less aisles.
00:38:03
So we still have some process crap, but the ingredients in the process crap are far better
00:38:08
because the European Union regulates it a whole bunch more.
00:38:11
So a whole bunch of the stuff that you guys have in your supermarket is banned here.
00:38:17
Also, you can't just go and buy glyphosate.
00:38:20
Like, you you can't do that.
00:38:21
It's it's very, very, like, limited by the government.
00:38:24
Like, you can't just go out and buy a bottle of glyphosate in the supermarket.
00:38:28
So we have much less pesticides.
00:38:30
We have much more of an on ecological food, which is kind of like regenerative agriculture
00:38:35
and and organic food.
00:38:38
But people tend to just eat more food that is made themselves because the processed food just
00:38:43
isn't really as much of an option.
00:38:45
And people just culturally buy ingredients.
00:38:48
We don't buy pre packaged food.
00:38:50
And when we eat out, the meals tend to be more kind of homestyle food.
00:38:54
And because a lot of these countries freeze in the winter, you know, we get down to, like, you
00:39:00
know, subzero temperatures for for months at a time.
00:39:03
Basically, it's just meat and potatoes.
00:39:05
It's bonnie built through.
00:39:06
So, yeah, people eat a lot of meat and potatoes over here, like, fear is really popular.
00:39:13
So, you know, you still meet people who, you know, people who are my age, like in the, you
00:39:17
know, when they're late twenties, early thirties, early forties, who when they were,
00:39:21
you know, children, they grew up with their grandparents feeding them raw eggs and pig's
00:39:26
blood and you know, like, blood pudding and and all that kind of stuff.
00:39:29
So culturally, the food is just more old fashioned, but it's significantly less hyper
00:39:35
processed.
00:39:36
And the percentage of the diet that we eat a processed food versus what America eats is
00:39:43
minuscule.
00:39:43
And I think that combined with the increased, walking is a big factor.
00:39:48
The downside of Europe, though, is because of, socioeconomic factors as well as the weather.
00:39:55
Alcoholism is an issue here, for sure, just like it is everywhere.
00:39:59
But people are doing a whole lot better.
00:40:02
I mean, people have still got their problems here.
00:40:04
Absolutely.
00:40:05
But on average, people are significantly less obesity.
00:40:09
Yeah.
00:40:09
It's, I mean, it's a lot less toxic lifestyle, right, quality products and ingredients.
00:40:14
I look at the kids' food, and I'm like, this isn't even freaking food.
00:40:17
I got 2 young kids.
00:40:18
He's got 3.
00:40:18
It's like, I'm not putting that in my kid's body, and that's what's making up their little
00:40:22
brains.
00:40:23
It's the the toxicities, the chemicals, all that.
00:40:26
People here are less active.
00:40:28
And, yeah, it's like the standards, like you were talking about.
00:40:30
There's a a similar example is, like, when people eat pasta here in the United States or
00:40:35
pasta that was created, right, or even just wheat, then they have the sensitivity
00:40:39
sensitivity to gluten.
00:40:41
Sometimes that's not even the problem because then they go to Italy and they go on a pasta
00:40:45
bender and they're eating pasta all day long, and they don't have any problems.
00:40:49
And it's because it's more of the chemicals that are attached to those gliadine proteins
00:40:53
than the gluten itself.
00:40:55
I think that's, you know, I I I think there's validity to that for sure.
00:40:58
So,
00:40:59
Absolutely.
00:40:59
And the other thing here as well, like, it it it it's illegal to serve processed food to
00:41:04
children in schools.
00:41:05
Like, you can't do that?
00:41:05
Like, it's just not allowed.
00:41:07
Oh
00:41:07
my gosh.
00:41:08
That's all they serve the kids here.
00:41:10
It's
00:41:10
I I I've seen my YouTube videos where they compare they're showing like cafeteria lunches
00:41:14
at schools and like Australia is not much better.
00:41:17
Like Australia has gone down the the the the hole as well.
00:41:20
But, yeah, over here, it's very, very, very different.
00:41:24
And over here as well, there's also more access for people to be able to get affordable food
00:41:30
when they're out.
00:41:30
That's not crap.
00:41:31
Like, in Australia, if if you're like, let's say, like, a trades person, you're working in
00:41:36
construction, like, your your blue collar or something and you're out on a job and you need
00:41:39
to get some lunch, basically, it's like a gas station food, McDonald's.
00:41:43
Like, there's not really options to get anything healthy.
00:41:46
Whereas over here, like, all the restaurants do, like, a local lunch, which will typically
00:41:50
be like a soup.
00:41:52
And then, like, the chef specialty dish of the day, and then maybe even like a a homemade
00:41:56
dessert or something for, like, under
00:41:58
10 Euros.
00:41:58
And culturally, everyone goes out to these restaurants for lunch because and that's how
00:41:58
the restaurants stay in
00:41:58
business because they get the cheaper lunch train then people could go and get food for
00:42:09
lunch that's actually healthy.
00:42:11
So people don't have to
00:42:12
eat this processed crap out of necessity and convenience because if you're out for lunch,
00:42:12
it's actually affordable to eat just
00:42:12
normal, healthy local real food.
00:42:22
So, yeah, the the food issue in the United States is terrible.
00:42:25
Like, I'm coming over for for 6 weeks to speak at a couple of events and do some podcasts, and
00:42:30
I've already organized all my meal prep companies for when I'm there.
00:42:33
Like, I'm I'm not eating the crap.
00:42:35
It's okay.
00:42:36
And I think a lot of that too is, like, the rat race lifestyle in the United States.
00:42:39
Right?
00:42:40
Like, people are, like, rushing real quick to get a quick meal.
00:42:42
They're eating standing up at their desk.
00:42:44
Right?
00:42:44
They're not letting their body, like, get into parasympathetic state where they can actually
00:42:48
rest and digest and absorb that food.
00:42:50
They're still fight or flight spiked cortisol while they're shoveling food in their gut, you
00:42:54
know, it doesn't make for a a a great metabolism.
00:42:57
So I think, yeah, culturally, that's huge too.
00:43:01
One
00:43:01
thing I wanted to kinda let let's maybe pivot a little bit, but real quickly, just like
00:43:01
the mental health side of things too, I know that's something you've you talk about as well
00:43:09
when it comes to, you know, guys optimizing their health and hormones and stuff.
00:43:13
How much of a factor is that?
00:43:14
I mean, I know it's your the answer is gonna be that it's a big one, but, how much do you when
00:43:18
you when you're doing your coaching and you're educating and stuff?
00:43:21
How much are you kind of tying that in
00:43:25
I tie it in as much as possible.
00:43:26
The I don't wanna get too woo woo, but if you had Jay on, he would've got a bit woo woo.
00:43:27
So I can get it.
00:43:27
We're all about the woo, man.
00:43:36
Jay got real woo woo on us.
00:43:38
Yeah.
00:43:38
Jay are gonna have some fun on another one.
00:43:41
Okay.
00:43:41
So in the period before I did
00:43:41
this, I was teaching mindfulness meditation That was my job.
00:43:50
And we used to do science based mindfulness meditation workshops for parents and teachers
00:43:55
on how to teach it to kids.
00:43:56
So it was all based on neuroscience.
00:43:58
It wasn't based on spirituality.
00:43:59
And that was a big underlying factor for my approach with mental health because I think
00:44:08
that guys look at their mental health.
00:44:10
It's something they can't change or they can't fix without drugs.
00:44:14
And that's like looking at your body composition and being like, oh, I can't change
00:44:17
that without drugs, or I'm I'm just born fat.
00:44:19
Like, everyone knows.
00:44:20
It's like, no.
00:44:21
You can change how you eat.
00:44:21
You can go to the gym and you can fix that.
00:44:24
Mental health is the same.
00:44:25
You can work on your mental health.
00:44:26
Now some of us have dispositions towards certain things.
00:44:30
Some of us have been dealt, particularly rough hands in life, and that's left a scar.
00:44:34
And that's okay because that's just part of going through life as a man.
00:44:39
But I
00:44:39
think that what everyone is trying to do in this space, whether they recognize it or not,
00:44:39
is they're trying to subjectively improve their experience of
00:44:40
being alive.
00:44:49
So we want to live a better quality of life and we wanna feel better and have a better time
00:44:53
while we're here.
00:44:53
I think that's what everyone's trying to do.
00:44:55
And the complexity of the human organism is that we're basically an interconnected machine.
00:45:01
So kinda like a car, but we're also sentient and alive, and we have free will.
00:45:06
And this is very complex because we're basically experiencing ourselves being alive.
00:45:11
All these biological inputs are, impacting the the conscious manifestation of our thoughts but
00:45:17
then we're also interacting with the world and the world's complex and there's a whole bunch
00:45:20
of other people doing the same thing and we're forming relationships and we're trying to be
00:45:23
successful and we're trying to get fulfillment and there's all these different factors going
00:45:27
on.
00:45:27
And we didn't get an instruction manual.
00:45:29
Most people don't know what the fuck they're doing.
00:45:31
And the societal conditioning is about as toxic as it can possibly be.
00:45:35
So it's tricky.
00:45:36
I think that we're living in a world that is the best time to be alive, I mean, in terms of
00:45:41
just prosperity, but we've we're also being dealt new and unique challenges that we haven't
00:45:47
evolved to face.
00:45:48
You know, now there's wolves in sheep's clothing.
00:45:51
So it's tricky.
00:45:52
Life is tricky, and I think that a lot of guys, particularly younger guys, dealing with
00:45:59
realizing that life is harder than they thought it was gonna be when they were a teenager and
00:46:03
it slapped them in the face and they don't know what to do.
00:46:07
One of the best times in my life was the school holidays between year 11 year 12.
00:46:11
Like, the final school holidays I was like playing video games and eating junk food and
00:46:15
just chilling.
00:46:15
I had no responsibilities, and I had basically an adult mind and everything was awesome.
00:46:21
Then you become 30 or you get older and you become 40 and and and so forth.
00:46:25
And now you're expected to have mastery over life, mastery over self, mastery over your
00:46:31
health, and the world is a constant changing dynamic, and people are just like, this isn't
00:46:36
fun and groovy.
00:46:37
This is really fucking hard.
00:46:38
And dealing with learning that in real time, I think, is difficult.
00:46:43
And I think a lot of guys are basically dealing with that.
00:46:46
And it's like, well, okay.
00:46:47
How do I navigate this?
00:46:48
What do I do?
00:46:49
And I don't know.
00:46:51
I don't have the answer.
00:46:52
But I do have tips that have worked for me and worked for a lot of guys who who have, worked
00:46:57
with me and who followed this in bus.
00:46:59
And I like the philosophy of the yin and yang.
00:47:02
So I think the two things that work very well for men's mental health is learning some form
00:47:08
of mindfulness meditation, which is basically learning to be able to regulate your emotions
00:47:13
and create a distance between the input and the output.
00:47:17
So creating space between what happens and what you do.
00:47:20
And think before you act.
00:47:22
Very important.
00:47:23
And learning to regulate your emotions is extremely important because it gives you free
00:47:27
will.
00:47:28
It lets you choose what you want to do rather than be a leaf blowing in the wind.
00:47:32
And I think that's very important.
00:47:33
And it's also very important to be able to keep your cool and or situations and choose how
00:47:37
you're gonna respond.
00:47:38
It's also very important to not get overwhelmed by things when things get difficult and make
00:47:42
shit decisions.
00:47:44
But the aspect of mindfulness and meditation, which is limited, is that it's easy to do that
00:47:49
when you're sitting in a quiet room with a candle on listening to some calming music, but
00:47:53
life is dynamic and difficult.
00:47:55
So learning martial arts is also something that's very valuable.
00:47:58
And I had no interest in learning martial arts until my testosterone level was higher.
00:48:04
And then I was like, oh, this is kind of fun.
00:48:06
So I think starting TRT is a perfect time for guys to learn martial arts.
00:48:10
Learn whichever one you can find the best coach in.
00:48:13
But I will flag that I have seen more debilitating injuries from Brazilian Jiujitsu
00:48:18
than I have seen from any other sport.
00:48:20
So I
00:48:21
reckon that learning struck.
00:48:22
And the advantage of learning striking is that you are getting yourself into a I don't mean
00:48:28
that you actually need to go and fight someone.
00:48:29
I treat brain injuries.
00:48:31
I don't think people should actually go and fight, but doing like pad work, like one on one
00:48:36
training with a martial arts coach is the most powerful and efficient form of experiential
00:48:41
therapy that exists for men in the world.
00:48:43
Because what you're doing is you're getting into a combat simulating environment and you're
00:48:48
learning to keep your cool and you're learning to think and actually be able to execute what
00:48:52
you wanna execute and not get overwhelmed.
00:48:55
If you're struggling because you open your inbox on a Monday morning and you got a bunch
00:48:59
of emails or you're struggling to put your laundry away and do the dishes and and cook
00:49:04
meal prep on a Saturday, like, if that's what you're struggling in with life, you have a
00:49:09
skill issue.
00:49:10
And the best way to improve the skill issue is to get comfortable doing part of things so that
00:49:15
things seem easier because life is going to get harder as you get older because the burden of
00:49:19
responsibility for men goes up as you get older.
00:49:22
You're you can kinda get away with being a bit of a loser when you're 20, but, like, less so
00:49:26
when you're 30, definitely not when you're 40, definitely not when you're 50.
00:49:29
So if you're struggling with life, also accept that it's gonna get harder.
00:49:34
So you have to get harder or your fault.
00:49:37
So I think learning martial arts is very valuable even if it's just like a once a week
00:49:42
thing just to have it as part of your your weekly routine because if you go and do that
00:49:47
and get pushed to your physical limit every week, everything else will be way easier.
00:49:52
And if you have a strategy of being like, I'm gonna eat well.
00:49:55
I'm gonna get up early.
00:49:56
I'm gonna train.
00:49:57
I'm gonna do this in the moment when it's difficult to do that.
00:50:02
It's not as difficult as getting punched in the face.
00:50:05
So that contrast is super valuable because otherwise people go the other way and they
00:50:10
develop neurosis, which is basically Snowflake syndrome.
00:50:14
And this is one of the biggest challenges people have is that they're too soft and
00:50:17
everything's too difficult than they just fuck out and quit.
00:50:20
So I think if guys can learn to master some form of violence or at least just practice it
00:50:26
regularly in a safe and controlled way, but then also learn to calm their thoughts and
00:50:31
regulate their emotions and exert free will and be at peace with their mind.
00:50:36
I think if you can do those 2 things and you can just look after your physical health and
00:50:40
not eat shit and not drink alcohol and exercise and get some sunlight and do all the stuff that
00:50:44
your grandma told you to do.
00:50:45
I think if you do all that stuff, you'll probably be okay.
00:50:50
Yeah.
00:50:50
That's good.
00:50:52
You know, the grounding mechanism is always something that we always wanna live, especially
00:50:57
as men.
00:50:57
If you're like, you know, if you're a loser in your fifties, I'm I'm not gonna lie.
00:51:02
Chances are you're probably gonna continue to be a loser.
00:51:05
Like, the reality of changing is, like, gets more and more difficult, obviously, age because
00:51:09
you say the responsibility is obviously greater.
00:51:11
But, that element of and I had to work through this of, like, It was always the the next the
00:51:18
next thing in terms of, like, the racing thoughts, but it's through, obviously, like,
00:51:22
breath work that has helped me, like, just throughout the day.
00:51:25
I put a reminder in my phone as one practical way that is, like, it dings and is like, hey.
00:51:30
Just breathe.
00:51:31
Like, stop and be present for a minute just to get 10 deep gut breaths.
00:51:35
And so that that's, like, the trigger point for me could be like, just sit down, breathe,
00:51:40
become present, ground yourself so that you're your thoughts aren't racing to the next thing
00:51:45
because, you know, everyone says this now.
00:51:47
The journey is the destination, but I always go back to do you have kids?
00:51:53
No.
00:51:54
I I have a a football puppy, though.
00:51:57
A month old puppy.
00:51:58
Hey.
00:51:59
That's responsibility right there.
00:52:00
Yeah.
00:52:01
So my my mind always goes, I got an eight six and four year old, but do I want to, you know,
00:52:07
if I do I wanna raise 12 years and have those kids at, you know, 8 2016 18, or 2018 16.
00:52:16
No.
00:52:16
I don't want that.
00:52:17
Alright.
00:52:17
So what's the opportunity right now to ground, be present, and then evaluate?
00:52:23
So That's a that's a good thought.
00:52:24
But I like the idea of, incorporating some sort of, like, sport activity.
00:52:29
I'm a basketball player.
00:52:30
I love playing basketball.
00:52:31
And so I train specifically.
00:52:34
I mean, I'm 39, but, like, I train I put cardio's in the morning and then obviously,
00:52:39
like, a big piece of, a non negotiable for day to day to me is, bone density and muscular
00:52:45
structure as far as overall body composition.
00:52:47
So I wanna make sure I maintain that, but I maintain a body where I can keep playing ball.
00:52:52
I love playing ball.
00:52:54
So that's where I get my outlet, but those things kind of like ebb and flow.
00:53:00
I do have a question for you, though, and I don't know if you if you wanna go this route,
00:53:04
but that bone density and must just muscle for the purposes of longevity and how TRT aids in
00:53:12
that.
00:53:13
So if you wanna speak on that just a little bit because I, you know, that's one thing that is a
00:53:18
major focus point to me, and I would love to hear your opinion.
00:53:21
Yeah.
00:53:21
So I didn't come from a, a health and fitness background in this space.
00:53:25
Most people in this space came from, like, a body building background or some kind of
00:53:30
fitness background and transitioned into this.
00:53:32
I transitioned into this from psychiatry So my primary interest in testosterone was how does
00:53:37
it affect the brain?
00:53:38
What are the mechanisms of testosterone that, like, how would we compare testosterone, for
00:53:43
example, to, like, you know, drugs for depression or drugs for ADHD or drugs for
00:53:49
anxiety.
00:53:50
And that was my primary area of interest.
00:53:52
I was always into, fitness because I was a musician.
00:53:56
I was on stage.
00:53:56
Like, there was a degree of physicality that came with that and also aesthetics.
00:54:00
But know, I've been going to the gym recreationally since I was, like, 17, 18, but
00:54:05
was never really into fitness.
00:54:06
One of the things that I learned, that was absolutely integral from working with so many
00:54:13
guys over the last few years is the importance of body composition.
00:54:17
So not just bone mineral density and muscle mass, but also reducing excess body fat.
00:54:22
You can't be healthy if you're not lean.
00:54:25
And it so abs aren't just for the beach.
00:54:28
Abs just aren't for how you look in the mirror.
00:54:30
Abs are for insulin sensitivity.
00:54:32
And keeping a lean body fat and having a good amount of muscle is your primary insurance
00:54:38
policy against becoming insulin resistant.
00:54:40
And when we look at the diseases of aging, being dementia, diabetes, cancer, and heart
00:54:45
disease, the primary 4, They all have a component of insulin resistance to them.
00:54:50
So having as much muscle mass as possible within physiological parameters, you know,
00:54:55
becoming a mass monster to the point that you need a CPAP is not healthy, but that's you have
00:55:01
to really try to do that.
00:55:02
You're not going to accidentally go on TRT and become absolutely fucking huge.
00:55:07
Trust me.
00:55:07
Like, it's not going to happen.
00:55:10
But having a healthy amount of muscle and having your body fat like, under 15% ideally
00:55:15
under 12% if we really wanna, you know, focus on specifics, which is the goal I'm currently
00:55:19
working towards, is absolutely integral for your health because as you get older, you
00:55:25
become more frail and brittle.
00:55:26
And bone mineral density is absolutely crucial because as we get older, so many guys are
00:55:31
having issues with hips and spines, knees, elbows.
00:55:34
And when something blows out in the body like that, the chronic inflammation that can come
00:55:38
with it can start a cascade of of other inflammatory diseases.
00:55:42
So rehab is cheaper and easier in all aspects than rehab.
00:55:47
Take it from someone who had a brain injury.
00:55:49
It is absolutely starting investing in rehab now.
00:55:53
And I think so many guys want to look like athletes, but they don't wanna do all the shit
00:55:57
that comes with being an athlete.
00:55:58
They wanna go and lift weights six times a week, but they don't wanna do any of the
00:56:02
mobility work.
00:56:02
They don't wanna do any of the, you know, strengthening through full range and low work.
00:56:06
They don't wanna do any of the cardio.
00:56:08
They just wanna have the biceps and the abs and the pecs.
00:56:10
But if guys want to be athletic, you have to practice athleticism, which comes with a whole
00:56:16
bunch of other movement based, you know, training principles that you'd probably be into
00:56:20
doing basketball.
00:56:21
Stuff like, Ben Patrick leads over to those guy.
00:56:24
I mean, all the stuff that he's talking about at the moment, I'm so glad that that's becoming
00:56:28
trendy, because that's the stuff that so many guys need either in place of what they're doing
00:56:34
or for most guys to supplement what they're doing.
00:56:37
And having all of this stuff and doing it now before it becomes an issue is crucial.
00:56:42
And the problem is guys will disregard that.
00:56:45
They'll fuck around and find out.
00:56:46
They'll get the injury and be like, oh, I wish I had taken care of myself before this
00:56:49
happened.
00:56:50
Hindsight's 2020.
00:56:51
But for the guys who were smart and who managed to avoid injury up until this point, like,
00:56:55
start working on the pre hub now because you're not bulletproof, and you're gonna get less
00:56:59
bulletproof as you get older.
00:57:02
That's so good.
00:57:03
I mean, I know we we wanna respect your time and obviously kind of, don't wanna go too long
00:57:07
here, but I wanna just final question.
00:57:10
If you can, man, like, you're a guy in your mid thirties to forties, you'd don't know if
00:57:16
testosterone's right for you and you're kind of trying to figure out, like, hey.
00:57:20
What's how do I optimize my health?
00:57:22
Maybe you're not a gym guy like us.
00:57:23
Maybe you're not, you know, focused on diet and stuff like that.
00:57:26
What would you say, like, top 3 top 3 or 5 things that you're like, hey.
00:57:30
These are the things that you gotta focus on today.
00:57:35
Drugs alcohol, junk food, not doing enough exercise.
00:57:38
They're the big ones.
00:57:39
So I kinda look at when when I'm working with my clinics, there there tends to be 2
00:57:45
categories of guys.
00:57:46
There's the guys who are into health and fitness, and sometimes they can be a little bit
00:57:50
too neurotic about things.
00:57:52
But there's also, like, what I can just call gen pop.
00:57:54
Like, the average guy who's learning about TRT because Back in my day, you know, TRT was
00:57:59
niche.
00:58:00
Now TRT is going mainstream, which is great because more guys are realizing that this is
00:58:04
the intervention that they need.
00:58:06
It's not a bad thing.
00:58:07
But when TRT goes more mainstream, it leads to more mainstream guys seeking TRT.
00:58:13
And more mainstream guys tend to have a very poor understanding of just how much work and
00:58:17
effort it takes to be healthy.
00:58:17
One of the biggest things I see is guys are doing maintenance work
00:58:17
and expecting transformational results.
00:58:27
So the easiest things to look at, the biggest movers, like, the highest ROI things to look at
00:58:35
is cutting out the junk food, particularly the deep fried shit, learn to cook, or get a meal
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I have no affiliation with them, but, like, fantastic model.
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Like, so either learn to cook or outsource it, but do it strategically.
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That's the biggest factor is nutrition, not just putting healthy good stuff in, but stop
00:59:09
putting the shit poison into your body.
00:59:11
That's easy to do, especially when the healthy food tastes good.
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And if you suck at cooking, then it might be good to outsource that.
00:59:17
But learn how to cook something like beef beef and potatoes, like mince and potatoes.
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It's not hot.
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Like, get get good at cooking or just
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That stuff's key.
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Like, over here, like, you know, we we just buy, like, a quarter of a cow or half a cow at
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But getting good meat in the fridge, particularly mints, like, if you can't cook,
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like, don't bother with steaks.
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Just get mints like ground beef.
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Like, just cook that.
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Stakes are difficult to cook.
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And if you fuck up a good steak, you'll regret it.
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So just get ground beef.
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You get good at cooking that.
01:00:13
So that's number 1.
01:00:14
The other thing is alcohol.
01:00:15
You can't drink alcohol and be healthy.
01:00:17
Sorry.
01:00:17
But you just can't.
01:00:18
So pick 1, but if you wanna be healthy, alcohol, the alcohol is just not worth it.
01:00:23
It tastes bad.
01:00:24
The buzz isn't that good.
01:00:25
It makes you feel shit the next day, and it's literally poison for every organ in the body.
01:00:30
If it's someone's birthday or it's someone's wedding and you wanna cheers with a whiskey 1
01:00:34
or 2 or three times a year and have one standard drink, Cool.
01:00:38
Do that.
01:00:39
But regular alcohol consumption, anything more than 1 or 2 drinks on a special occasion, and
01:00:44
it's just easier to have none, to be honest, because it just makes you feel shit.
01:00:48
Got alcohol out completely.
01:00:51
That's a huge factor as well.
01:00:53
And drugs.
01:00:55
You know, drugs are a big problem.
01:00:57
Not just illicit drugs, but things like hair loss medications, SSRIs, antipsychotics, all of
01:01:03
these medications that people are on that maybe they don't need to be on.
01:01:06
People need to look at the systemic side effects that come from that.
01:01:09
Obviously, talk to your doctor.
01:01:10
That's not medical advice, but if things aren't going well for you and you're on a
01:01:14
pharmaceutical drug, maybe look to see if there's a link between those two things because
01:01:18
that could be a factor.
01:01:20
And not doing enough exercise, especially post COVID.
01:01:22
If you work at home, you have to make a really good conscious effort to exercise.
01:01:27
And going to the gym 4 or 5 days a week is not enough.
01:01:31
You have to do that plus go out for walks to get your steps in or get a cardio machine or do
01:01:37
dedicated cardio and do stretching and mobility because we've removed that, you know, 5, 6,
01:01:42
7000 steps you just got from going to the office or going to your job or going and doing
01:01:46
these things.
01:01:47
So if you're working at home, you might not be doing anywhere near the amount of overall
01:01:52
movement that you need to do.
01:01:54
So move more and ideally move outside as much as possible.
01:01:57
If you could combine movement with sunlight, nature, you know, that's you're listening to an
01:02:01
audio book at the same time, It's a very efficient use of your time for self
01:02:05
development.
01:02:06
So those are the lowest hanging fruits and doing all of them.
01:02:09
And I think you've got cut the poison, put the good food in, and then practice the healthy
01:02:14
lifestyle.
01:02:15
That's integral whether you're on or off TRT.
01:02:18
And if you're not doing those things, this is one of the biggest challenges I see in terms of
01:02:23
expectation management is you can't realistically expect to feel good if you're not
01:02:28
doing those things.
01:02:29
Like, you can't.
01:02:30
Like, it's just unrealistic.
01:02:31
So those are the things that guys need to be focusing on as massive number one priorities.
01:02:36
Everything after that, I mean, sleep is a big factor as well, particularly sleep apnea.
01:02:41
Like, a lot of guys have undiagnosed sleep apnea.
01:02:43
If you have a wife, that's a free sleep study.
01:02:46
She'll tell you if you have sleep apnea free sleep study.
01:02:49
Otherwise, one of the don't don't go get a sleep study off the bat.
01:02:53
Download an app called snoreLab.
01:02:55
Put it on the phone next to your bed and have it listen to you if you snore.
01:03:00
That's that's a cheaper, quicker way than getting a sleep study.
01:03:03
And if that's going on, have it properly investigated with an ENT, don't just go
01:03:08
straight on a CPAP workout if there's something obstructing the airway other than mass.
01:03:13
Because if you're not sleeping properly and you're not recovering properly, that chronic
01:03:16
stress over time will mess you up too.
01:03:18
So those are the big things to be looking at for sure.
01:03:21
Yeah.
01:03:21
And that's always what we talk about.
01:03:23
It's like
01:03:24
there's no silver bullets, brother.
01:03:25
There's no, like, quick fix, right, and it's It's all of the things.
01:03:29
All of the things.
01:03:29
The body's meant to move.
01:03:32
And, you know, that's usually what we end on the podcast is what does it mean to live full
01:03:35
field?
01:03:36
And that's exactly living full field is when you can encapsulate all those things.
01:03:40
Make sure you're moving the body.
01:03:41
And then just making quality decisions on a daily basis.
01:03:45
That's right.
01:03:45
Man, Dave, thank you so much for your time, man.
01:03:48
Can you leave our audience with kinda where they can find you Instagram online, your
01:03:52
website, all that stuff?
01:03:54
Yeah.
01:03:54
Absolutely.
01:03:55
So I'm, on Instagram at I'm Dave Lee.
01:03:58
And you can also find me at www.advancedfundamentalhealth.com.
01:04:03
I've got a couple of very affordable ebooks on there that are like TRT guides, and I also do
01:04:07
private consultations if anyone wants to work with me.
01:04:09
I do have a bit of a wait list.
01:04:11
So one thing I also recently launched, and I'll give a plug, is on the school platform.
01:04:16
So I had a private Facebook group for a long time, but Facebook's just a nightmare for
01:04:20
communities.
01:04:21
So I've launched a I've launched a service called the TRT Academy.
01:04:26
And it's, 19 US dollars a month, and it features myself, my friend, Ali Gilbert, as
01:04:31
well as a colleague of mine from Marrick Health, Tom Fellows Baker.
01:04:35
And we're in there basically running the biggest most informative, interactive,
01:04:41
educational TLC platform in the world, multiple q and a's every week, heaps of exclusive
01:04:46
resources.
01:04:46
We're gonna be having private interviews in there.
01:04:49
But most importantly, it's a place that people can come together as a community.
01:04:52
Ask questions, get expert advice, and we've made it as affordable as possible so that
01:04:57
everyone can get the help that they need getting their TRT dialed in.
01:05:01
So people can check that out on my website in the TRT Academy.
01:05:05
That's awesome.
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