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As a lifelong educator Matt has a reputation as a provocative thought leader in educational and personal development practices. He is a two-time featured TEDx speaker and he was named Corporate Trainer of the Year at Stanford University, having spoken to over 250,000 people .
(0:00) Encouraging open-minded discussions (0:28) Podcast introduction with guest Matt Beaudreau (1:18) Matt Beaudreau's background and Apogee Strong's mission (5:12) The importance of teaching kids how to think and historical schooling background (9:55) Apogee's tactical approach and men's program challenges (15:11) Financial management and the role of parents in education (25:33) Matt's experience with TEDx and the capability of children's minds (32:48) Encouraging advanced learning and the role of play in childhood (41:02) Conversations at home and the influence of parental beliefs (42:13) Socrates on physical training and children's health essentials (45:03) Debunking the myth of physical health as life success (46:09) Outdoor activities and their impact on children's behavior (47:30) Guest's final thoughts and where to find more about Apogee (48:30) Matt Beaudreau's interpretation of a full fueled life (49:28) Thanking the guest and closing the episode00:00:00
So, yeah, that's a huge part of what we're doing is we want people to think.
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I don't need anybody to think like me.
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Like, I have no ego in that.
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I hope it it at some point, anybody in the planet's gonna disagree with me on something.
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That's okay.
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We should be able to do that.
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Let's just talk about why we disagree, and then I'm willing to change my mind if you got better
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evidence.
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And I'm also willing to still be your friend if you think something different as long as you're
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not a jerk about it.
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Right?
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So it's it's that kind of thing that we're after.
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Welcome to the full field podcast.
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Welcome to the full field podcast.
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Welcome to the podcast.
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Your host Matt Tak with your host Matt Tak.
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Your host, Matt Tak.
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Who are you?
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I'm doctor Alfred Lessi.
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Doctor Alfred Lessi.
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I know by now, bro.
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No by now.
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I'm gonna what the new normal looks like in my life.
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You're not limited by your genetics.
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You have all the super power that is needs to be brought up.
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I do it.
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Judith, be it.
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The only
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way we're gonna get the word out is with you, lift full fuel, and at
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the own limits, baby.
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Let's call.
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Alright.
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Welcome back to full fueled.
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We're dialing in on season 2
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here, man.
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It's good to be back.
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It's good to be back.
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How are we doing, baby?
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Super excited.
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Awesome.
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Awesome.
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Well, we got an awesome, awesome guest today.
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I'm super excited to have Matt Boudreaux on the show.
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Matt is a keynote speaker, consultant, coach to
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organizations around the world.
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His clients have ranged from Wells Fargo, Honeywell, Lockheed Martin, to American Eagle,
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Cedar Sinai, and the United States Air Force.
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Matt has a reputation as a provocative thought leader in educational and
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personal development practices.
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He's a two time featured 10x speaker and he was named corporate trainer of the year at Stanford
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University, having spoken to
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over 250 people across the world.
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And now he's here to speak to us about what the future of education looks like and how he is
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building the foundation of what a
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strong young man looks like.
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Matt, thank you so much for coming on the show, brother.
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Honor, man.
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Thank you both.
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Appreciate you guys.
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Yes, sir.
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Andy's rocking a killer beard, which is, you know,
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I mean,
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that's something to do with.
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Back back at you, man.
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So I guess then then let's go ahead and start here.
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I was 11 when I had to start shaving.
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How about you?
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Wow.
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Dude, I was a late bloomer.
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I was, like, honestly, like, 18 before I got, like, even, like, sometimes when I
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was, like,
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I came in, like, gangbusters.
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Yeah.
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And you're with Northwood 8, and you're eleven years old.
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It's not cool to have a Geraldo mustache.
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It doesn't look like it.
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It's not awesome, though.
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Good for you.
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Better to come late.
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Awesome, man.
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Well, thank you so much for joining us, man.
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If you can, to start off, give our listeners a little background about you and kind of the
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Apogee Strong mission and kinda everything you're working on, man.
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Just, you know, some some highlights.
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I'll I'll, yeah, I'll try to just kinda stick with the highlights because there's so much
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going on.
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And so I'll just kinda go thirty thousand foot and we'd take it wherever you guys wanna wanna
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go with it.
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So You know, I'd launched a number of of campuses in California after working in in kind
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of the conveyor belt model of education and, seeing education from the inside out at
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Stanford, in the public schools, in private schools, and I decided that I needed something
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different for for my kids.
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And so I had launched a few campuses in California underneath the Acton Academy
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umbrella.
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Huge fan of of them and what they
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are doing.
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And I saved them because I'm not affiliated with them anymore, but I them to continue to to
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rock and roll.
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Those campuses are still up and running.
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Simultaneously, I got to, you know, as mentioned, kinda, keynote I was doing.
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I was having 60, 70 keynotes a year.
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A a lot of the time while building out these campuses, so I to hear directly from from
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leaders around the world of what they were wishing they saw from from the young college
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grads that they weren't seeing.
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And so that
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was that was phenomenal, man.
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But as I was doing that, I got together with my buddy, Tim Kennedy, who a lot of the listeners
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may know.
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And, if you don't, highly recommend looking them up.
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He's one of the best dudes on the planet, but more importantly, he's one of the best humans
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on the planet.
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And we decided to to start with a mentorship program for young men That's where Apogee
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started, was was getting some of the best men on the planet to pour into young men and giving
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them a road map to to leadership, that quickly.
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And, I mean, quickly, blew up to mentorship programs for men,
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for women.
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We got young ladies on the way.
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We've got a couple hundred families that we bring through home education.
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We have 2 nonprofits.
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We have a payment processing
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system that all funnels into a scholarship program.
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And we are launching about
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50 campuses of our own k through 12 campuses for young men and young women.
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This coming fall
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another probably 100 in 2025.
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So, we're not hurting for for something to do.
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Yeah, man.
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That's that's an awesome mission.
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And, honestly, I'm I'm a huge fan of it.
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I've been following it for a long time, kinda what you've been doing.
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And and I Thank you.
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As well.
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I'm gonna, you know, get my kids into that kind of mind frame of what education is and
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realistically, it's the way I guess you'd I would describe it and correct me if I'm wrong,
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but it's like teaching kids, how to think, not what to think.
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Right?
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It's it's making free thinkers or people who are are independent thinkers.
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That's the whole, yeah, making people who can think.
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Right?
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We talk a lot about things.
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Yeah.
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Thinking outside of the box.
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Right?
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We don't have people that are thinking inside the box.
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So I don't know.
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I don't, like, we're so far away from thinking outside of the box critical working, you know,
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in in all schools.
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And, look, I understand it.
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You know, schools will talk about,
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you know, building critical thinkers and lifelong learners.
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Sounds great.
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But it's the opposite of what schools designed to do, both of those.
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It's not designed to build a lifelong learner because a lifelong learner is gonna come out
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and keep those factory settings of being curious and and asking more questions than
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having answers.
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School is all about, you know, what is the right answer here?
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I'll give you 4 of whom to choose from.
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It's a, b, c, or d.
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Like, It's not it's not designed on purpose
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to build a lifelong learner, and it surely isn't designed to build a critical thinker.
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A critical thinker is somebody who thinks about their own
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thinking, who questions their own beliefs, who's brave enough to change their mind if they
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get better evidence on
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something because, again, they're asking really good questions.
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So, yeah, that's a huge part of what we're doing is we want
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people to think, I don't need anybody to think like me.
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Like, I have no ego in that.
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I hope it it at some point, anybody in the plan is gonna disagree with me on something.
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That's okay.
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We should be able to do that.
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Let's just talk about why we disagree, and then I'm willing to change my mind if you got better
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evidence.
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And I'm also willing to still be your friend if you think something different as long as you're
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not a jerk about it.
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Right?
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So it's it's that kind of thing that we're after.
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And we're just very clear that we think school is great for getting you good at school.
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I want people to understand how to live life.
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Those are not the same games.
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To me, that's one of the biggest travesties is we've emotionally wrapped ourself up in the
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religion of conveyor about schooling when it provably is not the same game as life.
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Wonder why don't we get as close to a microcosm of life as we can if we're supposed to prepare
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our kids for life.
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To me, that just makes sense.
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So that's what we're after.
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Yeah.
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And you you said something there that I wanna I wanna dial in on.
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You said on purpose, right, schools were created to help you pass test on purpose.
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What's the background there?
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Something to do with John De Rockefeller and kinda appreciate
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some of
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that because I don't know as much as you
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Yeah.
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Well, and that's so what I always tell people,
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it's a great I appreciate you asking that question, because what
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I tell people is to go there was a gentleman named John Taylor Gatto, g a t t o, and most
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people have never read his stuff, and it's a Travis.
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He's one of the greatest educators that our country has ever seen.
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He's also an educational historian.
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And he'll do a a much better job than I ever would at articulating.
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He passed away a few years ago, he articulates in so many of his books, the history of the
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conveyor belt schooling program that we're all used to, that we've all grown up in, that our
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parents grew up in.
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You know, at this point, we have an entire generation that's growing up in that.
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But essentially, it came from a Prussian model.
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It was a Prussian military model where they were seeing their soldiers starting to question
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the generals on the battlefield.
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They were losing the Napoleon and then they're like, ah, we need guys that are far more
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obedient than this.
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We'll shoot.
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What if we develop a system of behavioral management that we can start early so that we
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have kids that we raise up so that when they're adults, they're not gonna question authority.
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Right?
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Well, what does that behavioral management system look like?
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We still want them to be semi effective as human beings, but we wanna be able to control
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them as a population.
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That's really where the schooling system came from.
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Rockefeller and and some other,
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oligarchs kinda went, oh, I like that.
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We're building out this industrial revolution over here in
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the US.
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I need good workers.
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I don't want thinkers, but I want good workers.
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So he put in the equivalent of, like, $1 into that system.
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And we've adopted it wholeheartedly.
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It's been around for a little
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over a 100 years.
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We don't know anybody, you know, that that's, like, a 125 years old.
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So we don't know people that did it the old way.
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Like, it's
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that's what it's been.
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So we have this religious attachment to Well, this is what education looks like.
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No.
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That's what schooling, the behavioral management program of schooling looks like.
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That's not what
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education looks like.
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It wasn't built for child development.
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And so that's the, you know, that's why it's so hard for us to spread the message.
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We can I can tell everybody that and then go, oh my gosh?
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That's crazy, but their emotions are tied to, oh, that's crazy.
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But I still But but is my kid behind?
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But is my right?
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They still buy into it because, again, they're not thinking critically either.
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They've been impacted by it, and they don't even realize how much they've been impacted by
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it.
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So it's quite a battle.
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Yeah.
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That's that's so good.
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You know, just diving into your educational experience and then just from Apogee overall in
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terms of, like, from a tactical standpoint as far as training,
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mentoring, What does that look like?
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What is what is the tactical kind of day today?
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Things that mission, vision, probably core values that you have within Abigail.
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Doctorable for for which vertical in particular.
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I mean, I guess they're all I guess the tactics are really the same for all of them, but each
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vertical is designed to be able to stand
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alone as well as come together.
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So what I mean by that is we've got, you know, we've got our young
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men's program.
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Right?
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So the young men have 12 months But can you just give us a 6 week?
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That's the society we live in.
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What's the quick fix?
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What's the quick pill?
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We could make Tim and I could make a lot of money if we're, like, 6 weeks, and we'll get
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you the abs of your dreams.
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And we'll make we could make a ton of money on that.
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That we have no desire for that.
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It's not sexy for us to be like, hey.
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We need at least 12 months.
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That turns a lot of people away.
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We don't care because we have a different mission.
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So it's 12 so the young men 12 months, man, and it's 12 months of very specific books.
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Some workouts.
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Yep.
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You bet.
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But there's projects and challenges every single month, and these are intentionally
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put together, not by Matt and Tim who go, oh, this would be cool if we did the other sounds
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no.
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It's Matt and Tim and people who are experts in particular fields, they go, hey.
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If somebody will do the take on this project, this challenge.
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They're gonna gain so much self awareness around this, including maybe I don't really
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like this fuel.
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That's okay.
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That's good to know too, but you're gonna explore it and you're gonna figure out your
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response to it and do you want gonna do that.
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And then you've got mentors who are with you the entire way, some of the best men on the
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planet.
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Right?
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So you're gonna do that over the course of 12 months, and you're gonna put together this,
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this journey, this digital portfolio that shows Hey, I actually dove into leadership.
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Here's what I did, but here's all that I've taken away.
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And, oh, by the way, I've also built out this network.
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And so I have at least an understanding of what I wanna do next versus what does society say I
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have to do next?
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Right?
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And so I guess that's really a microcosm for all of it because it's the same thing for the
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men's program.
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It's the same thing for the women's program.
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As we develop the young ladies, it's the same thing
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So the tactics become, you're going to do a lot of things.
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You're going to have a lot of reflective conversations, a bunch.
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You're not gonna be told what to do.
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You're gonna be told, some options of things to do based on people who are ninjas in those
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fields, and then we're gonna walk you through the reflection of if you did it.
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What did you learn?
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What happened?
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Okay.
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Then what?
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What do you think about And what was your experience?
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My experience doing this might be different than than Alfred might be different than
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Matt's.
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Right?
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And so it's that.
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It's a community of people
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who are doing it.
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It's act a non verbal.
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We're doing but then we
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come together and reflect upon it over and over and over and over again.
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Create more than we consume doing
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into the community.
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So it's a lot.
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It is a lot.
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And like you said, if I turn people off because they're not ready for that.
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Right?
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That's what
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it turns.
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Almost everybody away.
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And we there's a lot of people within the program too because they go, oh, that's more
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than I thought I needed to do.
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You bet.
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You bet it is.
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A 100%.
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And we lose people very specific months too, man.
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It's so fascinating to watch,
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like, such an interesting experience.
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So, like, we lose most men in our men's program.
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We will lose them, month 5, month
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5, is the intentionality in marriage month.
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Again, you can't fix your marriage even just in a month.
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If you've done, like, in title, like, we're not, like, we've got a year's worth of material
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that is really 20 years' worth of material within a year, and then you're gonna be invited
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to come back through it
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and continue like this.
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If you can push through
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the whole month, you're you stay for free in perpetuity.
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In for free, but people still can't push through so much because of the work and because
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of what it actually does to them.
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They're like, ugh.
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I wanna go back to playing pretend.
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Right?
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And the marriage month is one
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of those intense months, man, because the wives
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go.
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Bullshit.
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I don't believe you.
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Where was this guy?
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I haven't seen this guy before.
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Now I'm seeing this guy show up.
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I don't believe you.
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And they're like, I don't believe me either.
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Right?
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And they run out the door.
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But the guys that push through every I mean, I got a message this morning for my wife.
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My life is different.
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My marriage is different.
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Our family is different.
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Thank you.
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I'm like, don't thank me.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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And that's that intentional discomfort.
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Right?
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We talk about that all the time.
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You know, we're a little bit more fitness and and health focused podcast, but it it ties in
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line with it because it's like, if you get yourself into that discomfort, that's where
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growth occurs, right, getting in a cold plunge, working out, you know, getting yourself out of
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breath, all that stuff.
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Yeah.
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I gotta I gotta quick question too.
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Just on the offset of that, just on the tactical approach is something I'm doing with
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my kids right now.
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Because the school system doesn't teach financial management at a really young age.
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And so one of the things actually, Alfred actually brought up to me, and we're gonna be
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instilling as soon as the school year starts when my girls come back from Michigan is we're
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gonna make them pay rent.
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Gonna make them pay rent every month.
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We're gonna take a little allocation of rent of things that they do.
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But what I try to do is empower them to do, obviously, things that are gonna expand their
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mind and then they get paid for those things.
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If they wanna choose, which I gotta give them the choice to buy liabilities, but there's this
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process of, like,
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delayed gratification and just all those things.
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Do you, in Apogee, it is a financial management, a key
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component of that too, teaching kids.
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It's a huge component.
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So there's a there's a couple different
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there's a couple different avenues on this too.
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I like what you're saying.
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I like what you're doing, and we will from a parental standpoint.
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I I like that when parents take the tactical standpoint.
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I don't ever want a parent to miss out on the simplicity also, though, of increasing their
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education by increasing your own and bringing them with you.
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Right?
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So my kids have financial things that they'll go to.
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My daughters bought their 1st horse.
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They they bought their 1st
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horses when they were 97.
00:16:21
Right?
00:16:21
They're 1311 now.
00:16:30
My thirteen year old works probably close to 40 hours a week right now.
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She has a thirteen year
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old and then a couple of different jobs and and businesses that she has.
00:16:35
So they bought their 1st horses that that's huge.
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That's fantastic.
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I love that.
00:16:35
And there's there's the experience that
00:16:45
they have there and the learning to take away from that.
00:16:45
But I also don't discount the fact that a big part of that
00:16:45
is we operate, as a family, over the last few years, we have transitioned into the 1041 tax
00:16:59
system as opposed to the 1040.
00:17:01
Most people don't understand that there's 2 tax systems in this country.
00:17:04
Almost nobody operates in the 1041 system, but it's It's everybody can.
00:17:10
And and you hear about it and you're like, oh, okay.
00:17:12
Well, oh, is that probably what Bill Gates and and Warren Buffett?
00:17:15
Yes.
00:17:16
It is what they do, but you don't have to be wealthy like that in order to operate there.
00:17:20
You do have to have a business.
00:17:21
There's there's certain structures in there that you need to have in place.
00:17:24
Right?
00:17:24
But as we transition into that as an organism or as a as a family, I bring my kids along
00:17:31
with.
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They don't have to understand all of it, but I just show them what we are doing.
00:17:35
Right?
00:17:35
I don't even actually even have to do anything to them in that.
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I just bring them along with our own journey in it and keep them apprised.
00:17:43
Right?
00:17:43
Like, that is some of the most of that's how they learn to speak English.
00:17:47
They were in our house and we spoke English.
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So they started speaking English.
00:17:50
Right?
00:17:51
Like, that's that is how real education actually works.
00:17:54
So also bringing them along is just as impactful and as effective as doing something
00:18:00
too or having them do something, if that makes sense.
00:18:02
Right?
00:18:02
So I don't ever want that to be discounted.
00:18:05
And so that said, that whole 1041 system is very much in our men's program, very much in
00:18:11
our women's program.
00:18:13
On the younger side, everybody, whether they're on our campus or they're in our mentorship
00:18:17
programs, they're starting a business or taking a business in into perpetuity.
00:18:22
They're meeting with
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financial experts, financial ninjas.
00:18:23
We have a class economy in our k through twelve campuses.
00:18:23
So they get paid for doing work, and they do pay rent to utilize, you know, to use certain
00:18:34
things.
00:18:34
And, so, yes, again, microcosm of the real world, you know, and there's no there's no such
00:18:40
thing as perfect.
00:18:40
There's no panacea, but they need to be exposed to it.
00:18:45
Yeah.
00:18:45
And and I think it's kind of like, you know, like, you're talking about in the conveyor belt
00:18:48
system.
00:18:49
You're almost like outsourcing your kids education when realistically as the parent, you
00:18:52
are so responsible for that.
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You know?
00:18:54
I don't know.
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I don't know.
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You're very, very much.
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It's very much are.
00:18:58
Yeah.
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And so
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then when they're not learning, you kinda can't control either at that point.
00:19:01
That's the hardest thing, and then I, you know, I I there are so many good people who are
00:19:01
teachers and educators in the conveyor belt
00:19:04
system.
00:19:13
I support, then there's good humans.
00:19:15
I was talking to one of those.
00:19:16
I get messages on a daily basis 7 days a week.
00:19:16
Good humans in the system.
00:19:16
I wish I I wish we weren't do.
00:19:16
I wish this.
00:19:16
I wish
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but we can't control that I get it, man.
00:19:27
A 100% and I support you.
00:19:30
100%.
00:19:31
There are good humans who are sending their kids to public schools and who are coming upon
00:19:36
these realizations and like, But we're now in this financials in, you know, situation or I'm
00:19:41
a single parent and I'd like this.
00:19:43
I get it, man, and I'm not telling you you're a bad I get it.
00:19:46
I understand.
00:19:47
But understand now that you get it, now what are you gonna do?
00:19:50
How are you gonna try to combat that?
00:19:52
Because it is inherently in outsourcing.
00:19:54
You know, GK Chesterston, Chesterton said something
00:19:57
to the effect of education not being a series of subjects, it
00:19:58
is a transfer of a way of life.
00:19:58
I love that.
00:19:58
It's spot on.
00:19:58
So the question then becomes, who is getting to transfer their way of life to your children if
00:20:10
it's not you.
00:20:10
Anybody that you are allowing to pour into them is transferring their way of life.
00:20:11
Right.
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I am gonna make sure that anybody that gets to transfer their way of life to my kids has a
00:20:23
transfer that I've already pre freaking approved, and that's not called sheltering.
00:20:23
That's called parenting.
00:20:23
Yeah.
00:20:47
So, thankfully, the powers that the powers that be, will always
00:20:58
help us for people that are paying attention.
00:20:59
So we've got a we've got over 5 people that are home home educating now
00:21:03
in this country that's never been that big since compulsor since
00:21:03
schooling was made compulsory.
00:21:03
Right?
00:21:03
It's never been that big.
00:21:11
Big, but people started to see a little bit during the COVID.
00:21:14
People are
00:21:14
starting to pay attention a little bit to some of the agendas that are creeping in, and
00:21:14
they're like, okay.
00:21:14
We're out of here.
00:21:15
Right?
00:21:15
So, like, that always helps.
00:21:15
But that said, it is a religion.
00:21:25
A huge religion.
00:21:25
It's a huge monopoly in this country.
00:21:27
It's not going to change from the inside for the better.
00:21:27
Sorry.
00:21:27
I I just if I thought that I could impact real actual positive change, they're out of state in
00:21:27
it.
00:21:28
So our goal is to build the alternative.
00:21:43
That's really where that's really where, in my head, the only chance we get of making things
00:21:50
switch over here is to build an alternative that is so undeniable that it's a very clear
00:21:58
choice and then somebody else has to switch.
00:22:00
Right?
00:22:00
Now the problem is,
00:22:00
accessibility.
00:22:00
Any kind of privatized educational opportunities gotta be paid for.
00:22:00
That's why we have the
00:22:00
payment processing system.
00:22:00
Our multiple foundations the 501c threes that all go towards that, Tim, and I don't take any
00:22:13
freaking money from that.
00:22:14
We don't have a staff around that.
00:22:16
It all goes to scholarships.
00:22:17
It all goes to help families.
00:22:19
It's all, you know, and they're in their early stages, but ultimately it's that.
00:22:23
And if you think about, like, cross fit.
00:22:28
Like it.
00:22:28
Don't like it.
00:22:29
Don't care.
00:22:30
You know what it is.
00:22:31
You have an idea of how it operates.
00:22:32
Right?
00:22:32
And you can't deny that it became big enough to where you had a whole lot of people that
00:22:32
started to like that sort of functional training and, right, and what a lot of people
00:22:42
move that way, but then
00:22:42
what happened is your your big box gyms, your valleys, and your, you know, 24 hour, and your
00:22:42
golds gyms, they started offering, like, functional fitness
00:22:53
they started changing.
00:22:53
They're like, oh, we should offer something like this too because everybody cool.
00:22:57
Well, why don't we do the same thing?
00:22:59
And we'll see if the conveyor belt education system tries to at least sort of start to catch
00:23:04
up.
00:23:05
But even if they don't, because we know who controls it and we know that the agenda is not
00:23:09
for the people,
00:23:09
and I can say that confidently.
00:23:09
It's not for the people.
00:23:09
Then okay.
00:23:09
We've made our alternative accessible.
00:23:21
To people.
00:23:22
Whereas that's a big thing that we get all the time.
00:23:25
But I don't have to pay for public.
00:23:26
I mean, you kinda you do with your taxes and all that.
00:23:29
I get it, but, you know, I don't have to pay for it.
00:23:32
That's one of the biggest things we have, and that's so crazy to me.
00:23:35
It's like, man, I get I get what you're saying.
00:23:37
I get it.
00:23:37
Also, those are your children.
00:23:38
Like, if you send them to a restaurant, you're like, dude,
00:23:38
I planned on sending to this restaurant for two meals a day.
00:23:49
For 18 years.
00:23:50
I planned on that, and I didn't plan on having to pay for that food, but you find
00:23:54
out that the food every time they eat it, it's just a little bit of poison.
00:23:54
Like, what parents not gonna be like, f that?
00:23:54
I will figure out a way to feed you all three meals.
00:24:04
So that you're not getting poisoned.
00:24:05
That's what's happening.
00:24:05
Yeah.
00:24:05
Yeah.
00:24:05
I think, this is I
00:24:05
wanna highlight Abhijit a little bit further even beyond this because
00:24:17
as we see the transition, and I've seen this, like, firsthand.
00:24:20
And this is the only thing.
00:24:21
So I do choose to put my kids.
00:24:24
They're in public schools.
00:24:25
They're actually in a, a
00:24:26
language immersion program, so they're getting taught Spanish at the same time.
00:24:26
We wanna be
00:24:26
our our goal is to be a Spanish speaking household.
00:24:33
And so my wife
00:24:33
and I are learning it and progressing with our children.
00:24:34
But this is the thing.
00:24:34
If we had the choice, my wife works, I work, is is this?
00:24:34
Is the parallel of, like, people taking their kids out of the system?
00:24:48
But then being lazy about it.
00:24:50
I've seen this, like, I've seen this approach where I'm gonna pull them out of the system,
00:24:53
but then I'm not gonna do anything about it.
00:24:53
And they're so, like, Apogee gives the structure around it that says, hey.
00:24:53
Look.
00:25:01
These are the principles and the structures of how these kids should be guided.
00:25:04
Right?
00:25:04
I've, like, I've just seen so many kids just fall behind because they haven't been they
00:25:09
don't have
00:25:10
the structure of the system.
00:25:11
Oh, I'm gonna I'll teach them the stuff, but you're teaching them the same things of the
00:25:15
conveyor belt system.
00:25:16
So That's,
00:25:17
just have to highlight it a little bit more.
00:25:18
I'm with you a 100% on that.
00:25:20
That's there's so many so many pair and by the way, there's so many parents that send their
00:25:24
kids to school, and then they're still lazy on that set.
00:25:26
Like, there's just lazy pea there's no room for lazy people if you're gonna talk about freedom.
00:25:31
Like, it's just not freedom and sovereignty demands that sort
00:25:33
of intentionality.
00:25:33
It just does.
00:25:33
And so, yeah, I'm I'm right
00:25:33
there with you.
00:25:33
Yeah.
00:25:33
Tell me, about this.
00:25:33
So transitioning just a touch, because
00:25:44
really interested in this.
00:25:45
So you've you're how many times have you talked on TEDx now?
00:25:49
I've done 2 TEDx's.
00:25:50
I won't ever work.
00:25:51
I've done 2.
00:25:52
I've put on some.
00:25:54
I won't ever work with them again.
00:25:56
Oh, no.
00:25:57
Okay.
00:25:57
What happened there?
00:26:00
The the the culture there of the, you
00:26:01
know, I don't like using the term because it's just it's over you, but the whole
00:26:01
woke culture sort of deal.
00:26:01
So
00:26:01
we had we put a TEDx on
00:26:15
Well, the 2nd TEDx I gave,
00:26:17
the organizers were forced to make us all
00:26:17
go virtual because of COVID, which I wasn't a huge fan of of the forcing around that.
00:26:17
I wanted the option on that.
00:26:17
And I
00:26:17
understand what they were so did it.
00:26:29
I didn't hold that necessarily against anybody.
00:26:31
That bummed me out, but then when COVID was
00:26:33
no longer, theoretically an issue, I hosted a TEDx event.
00:26:33
And I had a couple of friends who came
00:26:44
to present.
00:26:45
One of those being Mikaela Peterson, Jordan
00:26:48
Peterson's daughter.
00:26:48
She came and and and hung out with us for a few days.
00:26:48
We I worked on her speech with her for a
00:26:48
long time to make sure that it followed the TED guidelines.
00:27:01
That it didn't come across as anything prescriptive or, you know, anti scientific or
00:27:05
or whatever.
00:27:05
She did a great job, man.
00:27:05
She knocked it out of the park.
00:27:06
You guys ever seen it?
00:27:06
You haven't.
00:27:06
No lie?
00:27:06
Ted won't post it.
00:27:14
For no other reason other than it's Jordan's daughter.
00:27:18
You know, and so to me, that was that just spoke volumes.
00:27:20
So I'm all I'm all set.
00:27:20
Gotcha.
00:27:20
Yeah.
00:27:20
That makes sense, man.
00:27:20
That's unfortunate for sure.
00:27:28
I had a question too kind of going back to what we were talking about, and this is something I
00:27:31
just wanted to ask you because it fascinates me the the way that children's minds can absorb
00:27:37
things.
00:27:37
So I have 2 boys.
00:27:38
They're 3.
00:27:38
They're twins.
00:27:38
And I I believe that
00:27:38
they're brilliant.
00:27:38
They're so smart beyond kids that I, you know, I try not to compare, but kids their age or
00:27:46
even kids older.
00:27:47
And I'm like, okay.
00:27:48
Why?
00:27:48
Or, like, what's, you know, the the, I guess, the functioning of a child's brain.
00:27:52
And I heard you say this on a podcast.
00:27:54
It's kinda how I found out about you and how we kinda connected, but the amount of knowledge
00:28:00
that
00:28:00
a child can learn in a certain time frame is, like, way less than what we we give them.
00:28:00
Right?
00:28:00
So, like, you said something, I believe, it
00:28:00
was, like, between grade grade 1 to grade 12.
00:28:11
All that information that kids learn can really be learned in, what, like, like, 5 years or
00:28:15
something like that.
00:28:15
It's, like, it's, like,
00:28:17
you know, the academic part of that.
00:28:20
I've seen kids do the entire k through k through 12 curriculum.
00:28:24
If we're gonna if we go forward with the assumption and the pretending that life works
00:28:27
in subjects, let's take those subjects and and put those together.
00:28:31
I've seen kids rock out the entire thing in 3 years.
00:28:34
Yeah.
00:28:34
And so it's like the concept is that it's like, No.
00:28:37
You're in 1st grade.
00:28:38
You get to learn 1st grade stuff.
00:28:40
Wait till 2nd grade, and we'll teach you 2nd grade stuff.
00:28:42
But realistically, that kid can learn at a rate that is so much, you know, yeah.
00:28:46
A 100%.
00:28:47
And and here's the deal too.
00:28:49
So that's we have to deconstruct all that.
00:28:50
So what grade are you guys in?
00:28:54
Isn't that a weird question?
00:28:56
Yeah.
00:28:56
That's right.
00:28:57
Yeah.
00:28:57
Isn't that a weird question?
00:28:59
So isn't it, like, Matt, how old are you gonna ask?
00:29:02
38.
00:29:03
38.
00:29:03
39.
00:29:04
I just turned 39.
00:29:05
Sorry.
00:29:05
My birthday.
00:29:06
Alright.
00:29:06
So they're gonna have a happy belated birthday.
00:29:08
So it's 39.
00:29:10
Do you read at a a thirty nine year old level?
00:29:15
I think.
00:29:15
I don't know.
00:29:15
But, dude, isn't that a weird it's aren't those weird questions?
00:29:16
Don't those seem strange?
00:29:23
But we ask our kids that and it doesn't seem strange.
00:29:25
Why?
00:29:26
They're humans just like we are.
00:29:28
It doesn't seem strange because of our indoctrination and our training to
00:29:29
believe that's a valid question for
00:29:29
a young person.
00:29:29
Wow.
00:29:29
What grade are you in?
00:29:29
What grade level do you read at, we pretend those are real things for them, and
00:29:42
then magically it becomes an unreal
00:29:42
thing as we get older.
00:29:43
It's not magically becoming unreal.
00:29:43
It's always been unreal.
00:29:52
Yeah.
00:29:53
None of that is real.
00:29:54
It's our religious training around that.
00:29:57
So the point is they're humans and they're learning.
00:29:57
So there's developmental stages, but there's no freaking grades.
00:29:57
There's no ahead and behind.
00:29:57
And
00:30:07
there's developmental stages.
00:30:08
So if we stay close to what I call the factory settings, you'll see I have no doubt that your
00:30:13
three year olds are geniuses.
00:30:15
And you know why?
00:30:16
It's not because you're awesome.
00:30:18
You I've used I from everything I know of you and from a conference conversation, I think we
00:30:22
could all be very good friends.
00:30:24
I think you guys are great.
00:30:25
Truly, I think you guys are you guys are awesome.
00:30:28
But it's because people are naturally geniuses when we don't mess with them.
00:30:32
John Taylor Gato, who I mentioned earlier, he said something before he passes.
00:30:37
As I've learned in my years
00:30:38
in education that genius is as common as dirt.
00:30:38
And that's true.
00:30:38
I believe the exact same thing where we miss the boat as a population
00:30:38
is by messing with those factories settings.
00:30:54
We mess with those factory settings from
00:30:56
a medical standpoint as soon as I go back.
00:30:56
We're just hammering them and then we just do all this crazy crap and we distract our kids
00:30:56
and we'd send
00:30:56
them to indoctrination centers versus like, letting the genius come through and we get our
00:31:08
own fears wrapped up and that we are the ones who's chip away.
00:31:12
And it's not even chipping away.
00:31:14
It's really, you know,
00:31:15
this thing functions really, really well.
00:31:15
And if I just start loading
00:31:15
it up with all kinds of apps that don't that don't do anything good and it's just taking up
00:31:24
a bunch of spec, then this phone doesn't work as well anymore.
00:31:30
Keep the factory settings, and
00:31:30
it works the way it's supposed to work.
00:31:30
That's true with our kids too.
00:31:36
And it's like that curiosity almost gets I I think you're the one who said that.
00:31:40
It's like the curiosity gets, like, slowly pounded out of them as they go further through
00:31:44
the the school system.
00:31:45
It gets trained out of them a 100% of those.
00:31:48
Yep.
00:31:49
How much do you believe in this too?
00:31:51
Because We tend to dummy down our approach to it
00:31:55
in their extended learning.
00:31:55
And so I I I like this has been in my mind a lot lately too of I, you know, Jim
00:32:04
quick is a big, you know, big guy that I read because I just want advanced learning, and I
00:32:07
wanna be able to process information faster, right, at a faster rate.
00:32:11
And so I've been, I've, like, been able to read books a lot faster, and I tend to double down
00:32:15
on books now too.
00:32:17
Napoleon Hill
00:32:17
is a big, you know, just a big thinker that, I'm just outweighing the devil and, thinking
00:32:17
girl rich, but those those
00:32:17
books of we dummy down what we read to our kids even at a young age.
00:32:32
Like, they actually can comprehend a lot more, but we wanna dummy down, like, some of the
00:32:36
books, not that they can't read, you know, childish, cartoonist books, but dummy down that
00:32:41
approach of, like, what that looks like.
00:32:44
Is that am I wrong on that?
00:32:46
What are what are your thoughts on that?
00:32:48
Oh, of course, we dumb down what they're capable.
00:32:50
So here's something that people don't like to understand.
00:32:53
The literacy rates in our country, not just the literacy rate in terms of, like, how many
00:32:57
people could read also the quality of the things that they were reading and writing, the
00:33:01
literacy rates were
00:33:02
better before school was compulsory.
00:33:02
There was no school there, but literacy rates were still better.
00:33:11
Literacy rates have continued to decline as schooling has become more and more compulsory
00:33:16
intentional controlled.
00:33:16
Right?
00:33:16
And now there's a multitude of reasons for it.
00:33:16
It's not just school, but culture plays a role in that too.
00:33:26
So it's not only that we dumb down things, but we do things to make reading unattractive.
00:33:32
We do a number of things to make reading unattractive.
00:33:35
Now we'll do it as parents too.
00:33:36
Right?
00:33:37
We'll distract our kids like, oh, well, we got the video games over here.
00:33:40
They've got cell phones over here.
00:33:41
They've got the iPad over here.
00:33:43
We've got and I'm not villainizing screens, but the reality is we put all these distractions
00:33:49
there, and the books don't have the same alert.
00:33:52
And we don't read to them.
00:33:53
We don't get excited about it.
00:33:54
We're not reading books.
00:33:55
We're at the table.
00:33:56
We're doing this shit with our phones.
00:33:58
We're doing it like so we're actually killing the love
00:34:00
of reading from a parental standpoint too because we offer so many distractions.
00:34:00
My well, some
00:34:00
of my proudest mutton again.
00:34:00
I'm far from perfect as a father, I'm far from perfect as a husband, far from perfect, so I
00:34:11
don't ever, but I am also realistic about some of the things that I know I'm proud of in this
00:34:16
house.
00:34:17
I can go upstairs at any given moment.
00:34:21
And chances are if they're not doing their chores or their workouts or working or whatever
00:34:24
that
00:34:24
looks like and there's just downtime, I'll find my thirteen year old, my eleven year old, my
00:34:24
eight year
00:34:24
old, a lot of times, all three of them sitting on a porch, nose in a book.
00:34:39
Why is that?
00:34:40
We've made reading exciting.
00:34:40
We've made it fun.
00:34:40
As a family, we've made
00:34:40
it fun.
00:34:40
We've shown that it's important.
00:34:40
We have great conversations around the we show them how their processing through this material
00:34:52
is actually helping them in the real world.
00:34:52
Like, we continue to show reading to be the unlock that it really is.
00:35:02
We've always done that with them.
00:35:04
So they're excited about it.
00:35:05
And coincidentally, my thirteen year old has also written two books that are, you know,
00:35:09
like, 300 and something pages long.
00:35:10
That's and we didn't go, hey.
00:35:10
You got homework today.
00:35:10
You're gonna write that was on her own accord because we made reading and writing a fun,
00:35:23
explorative kind of kind of thing.
00:35:25
Right?
00:35:25
So then in schools too, a big part of it is we oh, god.
00:35:28
Everybody's gotta learn to read.
00:35:29
Agreed.
00:35:30
I agree.
00:35:31
We say the right things.
00:35:32
I agree.
00:35:32
Everybody's gotta learn to So, when they're 5, let's start with sight words.
00:35:36
Let's start.
00:35:36
Oh, so you wanna kill the love of reading.
00:35:38
That's actually what you're designed to do.
00:35:39
So the way schooling does it is designed to kill the love of reading.
00:35:45
We still sight words versus phonics.
00:35:47
We start early and often and hammer it, and we tell parents that
00:35:51
your kid doesn't know how to read this.
00:35:51
He's 6.
00:35:51
He's behind.
00:35:51
I didn't teach any of my children to read.
00:36:02
Like, you heard what I just said about them reading books
00:36:04
voraciously writing books.
00:36:04
I did not teach any of them to read, but
00:36:05
they all read phenomenally well voraciously.
00:36:17
Have great
00:36:17
discussions about it.
00:36:17
They all started at different times.
00:36:17
My girls tend
00:36:17
to start that faster.
00:36:18
My my oldest
00:36:18
was 4.
00:36:29
My middle was 5.
00:36:30
My son was 7.
00:36:33
And by the way, if I was to do the if I was to believe in the the grade level fairy, it was I
00:36:39
believe in the grade level fairy as much as I believe in the Duke fairy.
00:36:43
I was to believe in the grade level fairy, my son went from
00:36:44
I just figured out this reading thing at 7 to now he's 8 a half, and he's reading, quote
00:36:44
unquote, 5th
00:36:44
and 6th grade level books.
00:36:58
That fast because he loves to read.
00:37:02
And it's also it's also that as the age that that, like, worked for his brain.
00:37:07
Right?
00:37:07
And you've I've heard you talk about this before as well.
00:37:09
It's like, kids are taught all this stuff almost too early sometimes.
00:37:13
It's like they're forced to try to read, and then you're like, oh, he can't read yet.
00:37:15
It's like, dude, he's 4.
00:37:16
He's not his brain's just not there yet.
00:37:18
He needs to learn you talk about, like, learning play and learning, like, real life
00:37:22
things.
00:37:22
Like, oh, you you ran off a bridge and you fell and got hurt.
00:37:25
Like, that's, you know, that's life.
00:37:27
Right?
00:37:28
Yeah.
00:37:28
Realistically, the academics, we don't need to even we don't need to touch most of it.
00:37:36
Until at least 8.
00:37:38
Anything that's abstract, we shouldn't even be talking about it until 12 ish.
00:37:43
You know, and those are blanket statements.
00:37:45
Every kid's a little different, but developmentally, that's how we are designed.
00:37:50
I didn't make up the design.
00:37:52
I so people get pissed all the time when I say stuff.
00:37:55
That's that's the design.
00:37:56
Take it up with whoever you wanna take that up with.
00:37:58
I didn't design it.
00:37:59
And so double down on that a little bit if, you know, say you don't want your kid to go into
00:38:04
the, you know, traditional school system where they're in the grades and you're like, hey.
00:38:08
I wanna kind of subscribe to this.
00:38:10
If you're not starting academic till 8, what is what does what does it look like for kids until
00:38:14
then?
00:38:15
It's a lot of free free play and unschooling kind of stuff.
00:38:18
Right?
00:38:19
Yeah.
00:38:19
I mean, again, like, the the the thing that parents don't love.
00:38:23
Yeah.
00:38:23
Bee kids.
00:38:24
Go play.
00:38:25
Have chores.
00:38:26
Like, responsibilities are still a thing.
00:38:28
Right?
00:38:29
Like, that's one of the things we where so parents get so caught up in, oh, no.
00:38:33
I have to teach them academics.
00:38:37
No.
00:38:38
Make them work.
00:38:38
Let them
00:38:38
play and make them work.
00:38:38
Yeah.
00:38:38
How about that?
00:38:38
Like, that'll actually teach them far more.
00:38:47
Get them out work.
00:38:48
That's a big part of the reason we left California.
00:38:51
I mean, California has California things, you know, and California issues, and we didn't mind
00:38:56
we didn't mind leaving that, but there's great humans there too.
00:38:58
Right?
00:38:58
I mean, that's We had amazing humans there, and we built a a sense of normal there too.
00:39:04
But we got to come out to a functional farm.
00:39:06
There's a lot of work to do, and my kids work a lot.
00:39:10
That's a huge part.
00:39:11
Too.
00:39:11
Like, they have responsibilities.
00:39:13
They have experiences.
00:39:14
They, you know, my daughter, one daughter rides horses.
00:39:16
One's a competitive gymnast.
00:39:17
My son does Ninja Warrior, and he's a kickboxer and, you know, jujitsu.
00:39:21
And so it's like, they've got plenty of things to do.
00:39:24
And plenty of things to work on, and we have great conversations.
00:39:29
We have amazing humans around as we go do like, that's what they need for a long time.
00:39:33
Then the academia is easy to add in later.
00:39:37
Parents are trained to focus on, no.
00:39:38
We need academia more.
00:39:41
More often.
00:39:42
Now you know, you need to make your own learning, move forward, bring
00:39:46
them along with you, and you don't have to overthink it, but that simplicity scares the
00:39:46
hell out of everybody because, again,
00:39:46
points back to responsibility for me.
00:39:55
My kids, and this this is hilarious to me too, but, like, my my daughter who's 11 when she was
00:40:00
8 or 9, 9.
00:40:03
I remember the conversation, remembers where I'm standing in the kitchen, and I remember her
00:40:06
coming up to me.
00:40:07
And she's like, okay.
00:40:08
So I was thinking about this.
00:40:09
If the Federal Reserve can just print money anytime they wanna print money, why are they
00:40:16
taxing everybody so much?
00:40:18
Alright.
00:40:18
I'm like, that's a really good question.
00:40:20
Now why is and but but that's it.
00:40:22
See what you just did right there to you.
00:40:23
You were like, woah.
00:40:24
Right?
00:40:25
But all that is is a product of the conversations we have in the household.
00:40:31
That's not crazy.
00:40:32
It's just we talk about those things.
00:40:34
Right?
00:40:34
And that's a common conversation.
00:40:36
So she asked, we had this conversation.
00:40:37
I posted some online, and everybody's like, no.
00:40:39
That never happens.
00:40:41
No.
00:40:41
It wouldn't happen if she went to public school.
00:40:43
It wouldn't happen if I wasn't having those conversations.
00:40:47
If the only conversations my daughter and I had were, okay.
00:40:50
What's your homework look like?
00:40:52
Do your homework.
00:40:52
Get a bit brush sheet.
00:40:53
Like, the the stereotypical what we've been taught, how life is supposed to look.
00:40:59
That's not how our life looks, man.
00:41:00
It's not how our conversations look.
00:41:02
It's not how it's just not how we roll.
00:41:04
That's not anything crazy.
00:41:06
That's just literally a product of the conversations at home.
00:41:09
And I man, being in education for 2 decades,
00:41:12
I have a decent idea of who parents are if I hang around with their kids.
00:41:12
Right?
00:41:12
Like, I have a
00:41:12
decent like, they'll come and they'll just be like, Hey, man.
00:41:22
Trump is gonna save the world or, like, Trump sucks and trump does.
00:41:25
I was like, cool, man.
00:41:26
You don't have a thought on that.
00:41:28
You're just parrotting mom and dad.
00:41:30
Right?
00:41:30
And it's not just about politics.
00:41:31
It's about anything in general.
00:41:33
Like, I have a pretty good idea.
00:41:35
While they're working out these ideas, they're working out the ideas they're getting from you.
00:41:40
So give them ideas worth working out and make sure you're working out ideas that are worth
00:41:44
working out.
00:41:46
Definitely.
00:41:46
It's so good.
00:41:47
Hey.
00:41:48
I got
00:41:48
I heard this quote, and it was good.
00:41:51
I was actually reading a book on this.
00:41:53
But we I'd love your topic, how it relates to Apogee, and then just how it relates to your
00:41:59
home life as well with your kids.
00:42:01
But Notice citizen has the right to be amateur in the matter of physical training.
00:42:05
What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of
00:42:10
which his body is capable by Socrates.
00:42:13
Yep.
00:42:14
Love that.
00:42:14
Yeah.
00:42:15
I love that quote, man.
00:42:16
So the the physical part of things.
00:42:18
So I I, I am on, like, most things.
00:42:24
I think I I am on both sides of an extreme, and And I think the beauty is is understanding the
00:42:29
tension in between the two extremes, being able to go to both extremes, being able to
00:42:32
see where somebody is and pulling them towards the other extreme.
00:42:32
So, the 2 extremes on our side, physical education
00:42:32
matters so dang much physical fitness, health, and fitness matters so much.
00:42:43
It is a factory
00:42:43
setting for humans.
00:42:43
We talk
00:42:43
a lot about, the mental health crisis, right, the quote, unquote mental health.
00:42:55
We forget that the physical health is the precursor to mental health.
00:42:59
Health's a byproduct.
00:43:01
Right?
00:43:01
It's a byproduct for our kids.
00:43:03
Yes.
00:43:03
They need to be physically healthy.
00:43:05
And this is where I lose a lot of people and and get upset about this, and I'm okay with
00:43:09
people disagreeing with this.
00:43:10
But I think we bombard their system right away.
00:43:12
It's like the doctors are immediately you're in a hospital and you had the baby and it's like,
00:43:16
if we don't jab this heavy metal into them, right now, they're going to die.
00:43:20
Like, that's the that is, like, the, like, right away.
00:43:24
And again, vaccinate don't vaccinate.
00:43:26
I don't care, but think because everybody is telling you at every turn.
00:43:30
Oh, I've gotta do this.
00:43:31
Your child is going to stop it.
00:43:33
Stop it.
00:43:34
The factory settings of a human are there pretty dang dialed in.
00:43:38
They're pretty solid.
00:43:39
So let's keep that going.
00:43:40
I think sunlight's an important thing.
00:43:42
I think I think movement is an important thing.
00:43:44
I think eating the right foods is an important thing.
00:43:46
I think all those things and gosh, man, for better or for worse, my kids, don't get sick.
00:43:53
I don't get sick.
00:43:55
That's more important to me.
00:43:57
I'm 44.
00:43:58
I still have a 6 pack.
00:43:59
That's great.
00:43:59
I think that's great.
00:44:00
Awesome.
00:44:01
I like it better that I work 7 days a week, and I've got the energy and mental acuity to do
00:44:06
that and still pour into my family.
00:44:08
And I don't get sick.
00:44:09
I owe it for years.
00:44:09
It was 200 flights on an airplane, going from one time zone to another and speak in
00:44:14
California, then go speak in New York, and then come back and speak in Washington, then go
00:44:17
speak in Florida.
00:44:18
And then go, that's hard on the body, and I still didn't get sick.
00:44:21
That, to me, is more important.
00:44:23
Health matters.
00:44:25
Period.
00:44:26
And so we need to make sure that that is as dialed in as we can intentionally be with our
00:44:27
kids.
00:44:27
That matters.
00:44:27
And then the mental health ends up being a byproduct to that.
00:44:36
So it's them seeing what their body's capable of matters.
00:44:39
The other extreme that I don't
00:44:41
subscribe to, or that I subscribe partially to.
00:44:41
One of the most popular things right now, especially in
00:44:41
the, you know, the male space.
00:44:41
And, again, we've
00:44:45
got
00:44:51
dads and men.
00:44:52
We've got hundreds of men that we have in our community too.
00:44:54
One of the most popular things and some of my friends are are guys that perpetuate this is
00:44:54
get a 6 pack in your whole life is is is
00:45:03
Brilliant.
00:45:04
Everything is good.
00:45:05
Life life is great.
00:45:06
Okay.
00:45:07
It does.
00:45:08
Yes.
00:45:08
If you're getting healthy, it helps.
00:45:10
Also, some of those guys saying that, I also know your wives, and I know your kids, and I
00:45:15
know you're full of shit.
00:45:18
So there's that too.
00:45:19
Right?
00:45:19
So, like, don't pretend
00:45:19
that health physically all of a sudden means you're a millionaire with an amazing marriage
00:45:20
and your
00:45:20
kids don't over you.
00:45:31
Because I know that's not true.
00:45:32
There's work to be done there too.
00:45:34
So those are the 2 extremes, ultimately, to say, yeah, man.
00:45:34
Your health matters.
00:45:34
It always has.
00:45:34
It all
00:45:43
as well.
00:45:44
That's one of those meta skills that everybody needs to understand.
00:45:45
That'll always matter.
00:45:45
Your health will always matter.
00:45:45
So there's so there's 18 abs in this conversation as well.
00:45:57
Yeah.
00:45:58
I mean, it's so true.
00:45:59
The, the the physical health and how it's so important for mental health.
00:46:02
My kids, again, they're they're 3, but, like, this guy knows them.
00:46:05
They are they're just energy level is through the roof.
00:46:09
But when they come outside and they run and they get sunlight and they get sweaty and they
00:46:13
They literally fall on the ground.
00:46:15
Pop on tired.
00:46:16
Can I take a nap?
00:46:16
I'm like, nap time.
00:46:17
Let's go.
00:46:18
You know, it's like they they self regulate at that point.
00:46:20
And so when they're inside on a screen, like, hey.
00:46:23
I let them watch a show every now and then, but it's like, when they do that, they are
00:46:26
different kids, right, then they're this weird, like, wired little gremlin.
00:46:29
I'm like, dude, we we're going outside and you need to get,
00:46:32
you know, go get out and move a little bit.
00:46:34
Yeah.
00:46:35
Get out and move and man again, slowly over time.
00:46:38
Schooling, you know, has trained us to believe that especially you got some, you know, young
00:46:41
boys.
00:46:41
They're five years old, and they're squirrely man.
00:46:44
And they wanna get out and run.
00:46:45
They wanna get out and move.
00:46:47
And they've got some, you know, fifty two year old you know, 30 year vet teaching.
00:46:53
She's tired.
00:46:53
She's done.
00:46:54
She doesn't wanna do it anymore.
00:46:56
She's like, sit down.
00:46:57
I have something boring to lecture you on.
00:46:59
And they're like, oh, I can't really.
00:47:01
I'm trying, but I can't.
00:47:02
She's like, your kid has a methamphetamine.
00:47:05
Right.
00:47:06
Yeah.
00:47:06
Yeah.
00:47:07
Yeah.
00:47:07
He needs meth.
00:47:08
What the, like, and parents got it.
00:47:11
That was me as a kid.
00:47:12
Like, I was this, like, bad kid.
00:47:14
It's like, no.
00:47:15
Dude, I just, like, did not care what you're talking about.
00:47:19
Didn't care.
00:47:19
And, hey, by the way, as you get older, all you do is per learn to, like, pretend to get better
00:47:24
at care and, like Yeah.
00:47:25
Yeah.
00:47:25
And you're Right.
00:47:25
I just go with a lot of times.
00:47:27
Yeah.
00:47:28
Right.
00:47:28
Yeah.
00:47:28
Yep.
00:47:30
Man, this has been awesome.
00:47:31
This has been such a good conversation.
00:47:32
We definitely I agree with you.
00:47:33
We all align very much in the same way, and I think we'd have some some awesome conversations
00:47:38
again.
00:47:38
We wanna respect your time too.
00:47:40
And, you know, maybe we do another another episode sometime with you.
00:47:44
Dial in a little bit more, but just wanted to kind of let you tell our audience where they
00:47:48
can learn more about what you're doing, find you online, maybe, you know, Instagram, all the
00:47:52
stuff.
00:47:53
So
00:47:53
Thanks, man.
00:47:54
I'm on pretty much anything.
00:47:55
It just at just my name at Matt Baudreaux, but check out Apogee program on on IG.
00:47:59
Check out, apogeestrong.com.
00:48:01
That's really where to go to see.
00:48:03
There's a little documentary we got there.
00:48:05
We got a TV show that looks like it's gonna be kicking off here soon.
00:48:09
We'll connect to that.
00:48:10
The foundations, should be able to find it through that.
00:48:14
The campus maps, find it through that.
00:48:15
Men's pro like, everything should be there on that site, man.
00:48:18
So that's where to go.
00:48:19
Awesome.
00:48:20
And we're gonna link all of that in the show notes as well.
00:48:22
We have a really great kind of person who helps us do all that stuff.
00:48:25
So we'll highlight it.
00:48:27
One last question, man, and this is the name of our show is full fueled.
00:48:30
So we live a full fueled life.
00:48:32
What does that mean to to to you?
00:48:32
To to
00:48:36
to me, it's it's optimization.
00:48:38
I mean, that's really what our entire program, our entire approach is about.
00:48:42
It's kinda like what I mentioned right there.
00:48:43
Like, hey, man.
00:48:44
If you got your health and fitness dialed in and you got your 6 pack abs and you got that's
00:48:48
awesome, man.
00:48:49
I love that for you.
00:48:50
Fantastic.
00:48:51
You got your morning routines and your cold plunges and your cold.
00:48:53
And if your wife thinks you suck, you suck.
00:48:56
So get that part dialed into.
00:48:58
Right?
00:48:58
So to me, it's taking all those areas of life that actually matter.
00:49:03
And getting as close to perfect as possible.
00:49:05
My friend, my glover, said something to me one time, and that that's become the mantra for
00:49:09
what we do.
00:49:09
It's like perfection is not possible, but it always remains the standard.
00:49:15
And so I think for any area of life that matters, realize perfection
00:49:18
is impossible, but it does remain the standard so keep pushing towards that.
00:49:18
I love
00:49:18
that, man.
00:49:18
That was wonderful.
00:49:18
Great answer.
00:49:28
Well, thank you so much for coming on, man.
00:49:30
We're gonna wrap for now.
00:49:32
And then we'll definitely, you know, we'll be in touch, going forward and hopefully do this
00:49:37
again, man.
00:49:38
Thank you both, man.
00:49:38
Appreciate it.
00:49:40
Welcome to the full field podcast.
00:49:43
So I'm
00:49:43
gonna set what the new normal looks like in my light.
00:49:45
You're not limited by your genetic.
00:49:47
You have all the super power that is lifted before that.
00:49:50
So, unfortunately, most businesses aren't gonna use the highest quality ingredients.
00:49:54
What's your approach?
00:49:55
Jack.
00:49:56
I know he's Jack.
00:49:56
That's why I'm asking
00:49:57
him, like, he changed it.
00:49:58
I don't think he
00:49:58
left.
00:49:59
Yeah.
00:49:59
Consistency in everything that we do that really compound.
00:50:03
Only way we're gonna get the word out is with you, lift full fuel, lift the own limits,
00:50:07
baby.
00:50:09
Call.