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(0:00) Introduction to weight loss drugs and natural hormone balance (2:14) Introduction to the episode and Zeke Samples' journey (3:36) Zeke's health challenges and transition to bodybuilding (9:33) Training insights with Lee Haney (15:50) Discussing muscle building and longevity (20:00) Exploring epigenetics in health and bodybuilding (24:00) The health impacts of competitive bodybuilding (25:53) Zeke's new book and the power of faith (30:07) Natural weight loss methods and coaching (31:59) Family support in achieving health goals (33:56) Tackling the obesity epidemic with natural solutions (36:00) Genetic factors in health and disease (40:05) Embracing a life of faith, family, and finances (41:56) Outro and preview of the next episode00:00:00
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There's not enough history and research behind them.
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They work.
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Yes.
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But when you're done, do they teach you anything?
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What are you gonna do with your
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You just rebound.
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Right?
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Which is very inflammatory on the body.
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Your body's like, finally, all this weight's gone.
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And then it's like, oh god.
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It's a
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lot of stress.
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genetics.
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Welcome to Health decode, your number one source for real health information with your
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host, doctor Alessi and Matt Tack.
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I am your host, doctor Alfred Alessi.
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Thank you for joining us today.
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Today's episode is gonna be an awesome episode.
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We are going to relaunch an episode we shot last year with Zeke samples who since then we
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have brought on as a member of our team, piloting and leading our weight loss division
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and nutrition and wellness with his Genesis protocol to help people lose up to a pound a
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day of fat and maintain those results for life.
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So this is a really cool episode.
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Zeke gets into his story.
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He talks about how he came from a state of, unhealth to robust health and becoming a world
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champion bodybuilder and nutrition coach, and ultimately just kinda share some awesome
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strategies and tips for everyone.
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So it was a very impactful and profound episode we wanted to reshare.
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Then this was an episode from the Full Field podcast.
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So we hope you enjoy.
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Thank you for joining us, and enjoy the episode.
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Oh, we're back with your host, Matt Tack.
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Doctor Alfred Alessi.
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And we have a super special guest today, Zeke Samples.
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That's his real last name too.
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And I'm gonna describe Zeke here.
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Love it.
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With, over 25 years of experience in the health and wellness industry and once a weight loss
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patient himself, Zeke has overcome the past physical limit limiting challenges of scoliosis
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and kyphosis?
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Yes.
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Is that Ask him.
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Exactly.
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You did a good job there, buddy.
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Of the spine during his teenage years, to now lead a life dedicated to helping others and
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achieve their health and wellness goals.
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Zeke is a past national champion and runner-up world champion in the physique competitions and
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pairs that experience with lifelong knowledge to his personal commitment to helping patients
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of all ages needing nutritional and expertise guidance.
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Yes.
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Welcome, Zeke Samples.
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Thank you.
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Yes, sir.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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This has been in the making for quite some time now.
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And I like being around you, but I also don't like being around you because I literally feel
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like a peanut.
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Dude, yeah.
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I I remember I'll never forget that one time we were sitting together, and I was looking at you
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seriously just, like, listening, and you said, I lost my concentration because you keep
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looking at me like that.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's like he's
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the first thing you notice when
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the dude walks in is his arms are bigger than my legs.
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I'm like, alright.
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Like, that that made me feel a little insecure here, but this dude just jacked.
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It's absolute unbelievable.
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You know what was one of the coolest experience was when, I got to kinda quasi work out with
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you.
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I, I met up with you, and, you were just, like, slanging around.
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Wait.
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I'm just, like, pushing on, like, holy.
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This guy is an absolute monster.
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But meanwhile, I'm I'm one of the nicest people we will meet.
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So Absolutely.
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You really are.
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Yeah.
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They
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have to turn my mic up
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today.
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So Yeah.
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We're gonna jump in a little bit of everything.
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We wanna jump into your coaching side as well.
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One of the things that I think is really cool about you is really the story of how kind of
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everything came about.
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Are you dealing with scoliosis at a very young age, a spinal issue that eventually you had to
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reach out to people and learn.
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So tell us a little bit about that, then how it led to becoming a national champion.
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I'm gonna run her up world champion in the bodybuilding physique competitions?
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Lot of fortitude and mindset.
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That's that's what it required.
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Yeah.
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So at 14, I wasn't really, in my teenage years, I wasn't really the healthy kind of person.
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You know, I wasn't taught about nutrition.
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My family has an athletic background, but, you know, did as generations progress, even our
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parents, you know, they were taught differently than the grandparents were.
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I mean, the weight room was the place that slowed you down.
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And now it's somewhere that you have to to be in in order to be the best.
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So even the mindset shifts that we see today were even apparent back then.
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It just rolls through technology and what people actually believe to be true with
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nutrition and with exercise.
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I'm sure you see all that evolve in different ways.
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So for me, I started out as not really knowing much about anything, but then I was diagnosed
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at 14 and a half years old with this back issue, scoliosis and kyphosis, wore a back
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brace for 2 years, High school years at a time when I was accepted to a prestigious boarding
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school that didn't allow cars on campus.
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It didn't you know, if it was a mixer with a girl school, it was a sign up sheet.
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A trip to the mall, it was a sign up sheet on on a bus, that kind of thing.
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So very difficult part of my life to accept that what I felt was a defect at that time in
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an environment where I was around kids that were there for athletics, that were there for
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scholastic reasons.
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And trying to make friends around all of that, was very challenging.
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That's how it kinda started was around my high school years.
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What eventually led to you start competing in bodybuilding?
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Well, it it kind of evolved that way only because I became a product of my product.
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I it was a passion for me to start to understand exercise and a fear.
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It was fear driven or fear based because I was told I'd have metal rods put in my spine if I
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didn't correct my spine on my own.
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So I had just enough growth platelets left in my back at that age to make a decision, and it
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was all up to me.
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Was I going to capitalize on this this moment, this short 2 year span of my life where I could
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learn about nutrition, I could learn about exercise?
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And I decided to dive into it, but nobody was there to really help me.
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I was going to see a physical therapist who was a, you know, 65 year old woman at a local place
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in Orange, Virginia down from the school that, you know, was just kind of into basic
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exercises.
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It was nothing that was gonna be like, hey.
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This is what you need to do to put muscle around this part of your your back or, you
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know, your your biceps complement your your back muscles when you're exercising, so make
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sure you don't over train them, you know, there was none of that.
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So I had to learn all that through just magazines and through that period of my life, I
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read and absorbed as much as I could through the magazines.
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That's kinda where it started.
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You became, like, obsessive over it a little bit, Yeah.
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Because I I looked at it as a point to save my life.
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It wasn't for any self gratification or glitz and glam.
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It was just, you know, if I look like this guy that I see in these pictures, then there's no
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way I'm gonna have metal rods put on my back.
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I'm gonna win.
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Yeah.
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Little back against the wall kinda story.
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You know?
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It would take now or never.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That'll test what you got though for sure.
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Yep.
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That's awesome, man.
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One of the things that you did, during that stage is, like, you you reached out to people.
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I believe you reached out to, like, a an elite trainer at that time as well that was in your
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area, and you're like, hey.
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This is something I want.
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Is this something you could help me with?
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Am I am I right on that?
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Yeah.
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So at that time, it was Lee Haney had just finished competing.
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He was a Tom mister Olympia, and he had won more than Arnold Schwarzenegger did.
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But Arnold went to to the movies where Lee was more of a family man.
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He kinda reclused from the sport, dedicated to family time after he retired.
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But at that time, he still owned his gyms, and they were in Atlanta, Georgia.
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At that time, my grandparents were still alive.
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They lived in Sandy Springs, which was a suburb right outside of Atlanta.
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So we made a personal training appointment for me to go train with Lee.
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At that time, it was it was around the same time that I was told that I didn't have to wear
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my back brace anymore.
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So to me, it wasn't a finish line.
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Like, it's like a golf clap moment.
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Like, congratulations.
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You killed yourself.
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You're stressed out and you busted your tail for 2 years.
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You don't have to do this anymore.
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Okay.
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Next.
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You know?
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So I I was like, no.
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I I I've learned all this stuff.
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Yeah.
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I can apply it for the rest of my life, but I'm also learning about this sport called
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bodybuilding and the sport called muscle and fitness, and I wanna see what I can do to
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challenge myself on a next level.
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Let me see if I can do what these guys have accomplished.
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So that's what got me to make the appointment with Lee.
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And, he was $250 an hour, which is still expensive today, but back then in 1990 5, it
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was really expensive.
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But I did it as a means to see if he would take me under his wing.
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There was a hidden purpose behind that appointment.
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It wasn't to get the t shirt, which he actually had with his face on it.
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It was to get, him to help me and take me under his wing.
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So at that time, I worked out and, the first workout was good.
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You know, it was upper body.
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We kind of went through some exercises.
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I told him at that meeting in his office what I wanted to do and my real purpose for being
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there, and he said, well, I'm really busy.
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I've got this thing called my Harvest House, which takes underprivileged kids off the
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streets of Atlanta, teaches them about farming, teaches them about countryside because they
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weren't raised that way.
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They don't have these things.
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They were probably raised around drugs and on the streets.
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So it was a way for him to give back to the community, and he said, let me talk to my wife,
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and why don't you come back tomorrow for another workout?
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And at that time, we kind of my dad and I looked at each other, and I said, well, we
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don't really have the money to pay for another workout.
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And he leaned over and said, I didn't say you had to pay me.
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So that was a really interesting moment and a fun moment because now I got to train with this
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icon again for free.
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So we came back the next day, and that day, we, trained legs, but we actually ended up at the
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gym at the same time together.
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So as he parked, we were parking.
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We kinda walked in together, and he had a fanny pack on.
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And, you know, fanny packs are coming back now, but at at the time, they were cool back then.
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Yeah.
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And, he had this fanny pack on.
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The reason that's significant is because, to my story, he didn't go to his office.
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He didn't go to the bathroom.
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He didn't leave my side.
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We walked straight to the gym floor and did the leg workout.
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I was really known for my leg strength at that time because, 1, I was reading magazines, but,
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2, I never put spinal compression on my back with squats.
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I would always do things like leg pressing or lunging.
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And, I mean, I could leg press 13, £14100 just Yeah.
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For reps
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Every play.
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At at 18 years old.
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And he had this vertical leg press.
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The listeners, I don't know if you know what that means, but it's basically you can imagine
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yourself sitting in a space shuttle about to take off to the moon and the position that you
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see those guys in the movies, they're on their back.
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They're vertically looking up at the sky.
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Well, that's how you position yourself in this leg press.
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So when your feet go on this platform, it's above your head like where the ceiling would
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be.
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So if you screw that exercise up, you have all this weight that's gonna come down on you and
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you're not gonna be able to crawl out.
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They have one of that Mi 40.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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You gotta take a short video out.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But that's my favorite exercise because it's so challenging, but at the same time, it takes all
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the compression off your back.
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So it's full power.
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And I think that's the moment that I really impressed him because he just kept putting
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plates on there, and I just kept doing it.
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So we walked back to his office, and he unzipped his fanny pack.
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And he said, you know, I've given a lot of thought to what you asked me, and I'm willing
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to say yes if you can come down and train, you know, with me all summer.
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I was like, okay.
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Yeah.
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I can do that.
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Oh, yeah.
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And he pulled out a workout sheet, and he pulled out a nutrition plan that he'd already
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written.
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So around his waist, that whole time from leaving the parking lot to walking on the gym
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floor, he had made his decision pretty much for the most part, 90% of it.
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I mean, he still could have never revealed what he had to provide, but he had it already
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decided at some point the night before, the morning of, that he was gonna help this kid.
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So when I kept to what I needed to do, my dedication to prove myself, I shined to a point
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where he said, yeah.
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I'm gonna move forward and, hey.
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This is what I got.
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Let's let's get started.
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So I carry that on in my life with a lot of challenging moments I have now that have to do
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with situations where you're starting a new career.
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You're starting like you guys, you're starting, you know, the cohorts and everything with with
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the business.
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You're starting the new side of the practice.
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There's probably some fear in there, like, is it gonna be successful?
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Are we gonna do it right?
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Are we gonna be able to make everybody happy?
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We're gonna get good reviews?
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All those things.
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It's like, yes, they're valuable concerns, but at the end of the day, they're concerns that in
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a way you can't even control.
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You just have to keep pushing forward because you're always gonna be in charge of your
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destiny.
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And it rolls down to health and fitness too.
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It's one of the very few things that we have as a human being that we can always be in charge
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of.
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Yeah.
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What we put in our mouths, what we do with our bodies.
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100%.
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And And that's, like, the goal with this whole movement of full fuel is, like, you're in
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control.
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Right?
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Like, we can't do it for you.
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We can give you the tools.
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We can give you the building blocks, but, ultimately, you had
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to do it.
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Right?
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You had to do the work.
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I wanna touch on something with the term bodybuilding.
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Right?
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Because I think people hear that, and they think that means you're competing, or that
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necessarily means you're trying to go elite like you did.
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Right?
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You were the 1% of the 1%.
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That that doesn't have to be for everyone.
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Right?
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And and most people are never gonna do that, but you still need to bodybuild.
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Right?
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What I deal with in my practice all the time is spinal corrective care.
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Things like what you had, scoliosis, kyphosis, where your spine is moving out of balance
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because the muscles around it are not proportionately strong or weak.
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Right?
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So if we build our body up, obviously, you've correct those deficiencies, but then building
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your muscular structure is a longevity place.
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Now your body can handle injury.
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It can handle faulty movements.
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Right?
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You're less likely to get hurt.
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You bend down to grab something off the floor or pick up your kid.
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If you're getting injured, like opening a drawer or, like, you you sneeze or something
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and you're getting hurt, that core strength is not there.
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So I think that's a big thing for, like, our audience is, like, bodybuilding isn't, like,
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some faraway thing I'll never attain.
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It's like, no.
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You everyone should be doing it to some degree.
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Would you agree with that?
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Oh, yeah.
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Totally.
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I mean, the definition vocabulary, if that's a word, would be exactly what you said, but an
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image might be a guy in his underwear.
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But that's not really the the truth behind it.
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It's a 65 year old can be bodybuilding just in a different way.
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Yeah.
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Definitely.
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Yeah.
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Muscle is just such a I mean, we, Gabrielle Lyon is just one of those she's obviously wrote
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her book and
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We'll get her on here eventually.
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Becoming a we will.
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It's becoming just like, that topic of how, like, how important muscular density is as you
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progress later in life.
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And there's just like, obviously, I think my feed's full of it too.
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I'm constantly, like, feeding my audience that there's never not a bad time to start building
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muscle mass.
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Yeah.
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And, like, you can literally they had, this one the other day.
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A lot of people send me stuff now too.
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So I'm like, thanks for the audience that sends me sends me these reels of, like, these, this
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guy.
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This was me at 60 years old, but here's me at 70 1.
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It's like I mean, he was, like, floppy.
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And now he's, like, a jacked, and he's, you know, doing plyometrics and, has, like, an
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actual vertical leap
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at 70 1 o.
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Jumped on that you sent me.
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Oh, did I send you that?
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Massive.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And that goes to show you that it's, like, it's not too late.
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Like, humans are capable of, anabolism forever.
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Right?
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It's not like you get to a certain age and your body's all of a sudden, like, no.
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I'm not gonna do that.
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It's just a matter of you need more protein at an older age, right, to make that happen.
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You need more input.
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But it's easier if you don't stop.
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Right?
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So, like, the 3 of us are probably never gonna stop working out.
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I'm not gonna be like, yeah.
00:18:36
I'm gonna take a few years off.
00:18:37
No.
00:18:37
It's something I just do.
00:18:38
Right?
00:18:38
But that will allow me to stay in that shape forever.
00:18:41
Right?
00:18:42
Absolutely.
00:18:43
And I think there's some thought and conversation too that goes behind, genetics and
00:18:50
getting started the earlier that you the earliest that you can in your life making that
00:18:55
decision earlier because then you can beat some of that genetic code too for sure.
00:18:59
Yeah.
00:19:00
Peter Attia talks actually a lot about that on how it's not necessarily, like when you know
00:19:05
your genetics, and then they call it the E4 over the E4.
00:19:09
So, one of the big things is is do you have dementia potentially in that genotype?
00:19:16
Do you have Parkinson's in those genotypes?
00:19:18
Which we have I have Parkinson's in my family.
00:19:20
Those are all neurogenerative diseases.
00:19:23
And so how do you go about not necessarily not getting them, but pushing them out further.
00:19:30
Right?
00:19:30
So that your quality, your health spans are just that much better over a quality period of
00:19:36
time.
00:19:37
And so he just, like, had broken down all the things, but, like, the the main thing is is,
00:19:43
catering to exercise.
00:19:46
And then what does that exercise look like?
00:19:48
And he it's very much focused on anabolic, so a lot of his routines, being a longevity doctor,
00:19:54
is focused on that anabolic movement.
00:19:56
But, you guys get read the book Outlive.
00:19:58
Have you read the book Outlive?
00:19:59
I'm in it right now.
00:20:00
Yeah.
00:20:00
Oh, man.
00:20:01
The last chapter is the best chapter, so I'm not gonna ruin it for you.
00:20:04
But, like, he just takes you through the principles of what that is.
00:20:08
And ultimately, what it comes down to is, like, how you're reducing your oxidative stress loads
00:20:13
to elongate that health span, where you're just improving the quality of life over a period of
00:20:19
time.
00:20:19
But one of his main focuses right now is like is building muscle, is building a, you know, a
00:20:27
dense muscular structure for the purposes of longevity.
00:20:30
He realized that like all those challenges, the swimming challenges, everything that he
00:20:34
incorporated in really took a toll on his body where it's like now more so catered, like where
00:20:41
it's a very, very balanced approach to how he, to how we incorporates day to day for longevity
00:20:47
purposes.
00:20:47
It's pretty cool.
00:20:48
So That's like the concept of epigenetics is that you're not determined by your genes.
00:20:52
Right?
00:20:52
The genes, like, load the gun.
00:20:54
Your lifestyle then pulls the trigger of whether it's disease or health.
00:20:58
And so, you know, if you have cardiovascular disease, metabolic disease, Parkinson's,
00:21:04
neurodegenerative in your genetics because your family has it and it's in there, right, you
00:21:07
have these gene mutations, that doesn't mean you're gonna get it.
00:21:10
You can do a lot of things that our bodies are constantly turning over all the time.
00:21:14
In a year, your sales will be a totally different person.
00:21:17
You're still mad, right, soul wise, but, like, your body will be new.
00:21:20
And so if that's happening, well, how are we rebuilding it with good stuff?
00:21:24
And so I talk about I think about that all the time.
00:21:26
It's like you're setting we just talked about this in a previous episode.
00:21:29
Like, today, you're setting the stage for whether or not you're gonna be sick or healthy
00:21:34
when you're older right now.
00:21:35
For sure.
00:21:36
Where you're at.
00:21:38
I love the idea too of, challenges.
00:21:42
Like, I incorporate I like try to incorporate challenges into my year to year as far as,
00:21:47
like, more healthy sustainable challenges where I'm like, alright.
00:21:50
I wanna do this.
00:21:51
But you have a you have a kind of cool story that really your wife pushed on you a challenge
00:21:56
that you weren't you weren't really necessarily you're like, I don't know if I wanna do that.
00:22:01
You're like, she pushed you forward.
00:22:02
So you were a national champion and then you guys got married and she's like babe, I think
00:22:10
you should do it one more time.
00:22:12
You're like, wait a minute.
00:22:13
I wasn't even thinking of that route.
00:22:14
Am I right at that story where your wife kinda pushed you to the challenge and then, tell us
00:22:20
about that.
00:22:21
Yeah.
00:22:21
It was definitely a retired Rocky kinda moment.
00:22:24
So, I mean, and that's the thing.
00:22:26
Like, if if we're talking about this topic of there's so many it can be Google can be a
00:22:33
confusing rabbit hole to listeners, and you have to make sure that you pair yourself up
00:22:39
with people that you trust that are what we call the ace, the authority, the celebrity, and
00:22:44
the expert in your local realm or nationally that that can answer your questions and teach
00:22:52
you.
00:22:52
And that's I mean, my mind is thinking right now even just off that question, how how much
00:22:59
things evolve with back to what you said about bodybuilding and the and the thought or the
00:23:04
misconstrued conception of it.
00:23:06
The people that compete over and over again 3, 4, 5, 6 times a year, their bodies aren't
00:23:12
healthy.
00:23:12
They're breaking it down so much Yeah.
00:23:14
That it's not knowing.
00:23:17
Right.
00:23:17
It doesn't know what's going on.
00:23:19
Well, even the weight room or lack of food or nutrition.
00:23:24
Females, for example, if they're getting their body fat too low, they miss menstrual cycles.
00:23:29
That that's not a natural reason.
00:23:31
So I think doing it in balance is very important.
00:23:35
And now to answer your question for me, I mean, I've competed, I think, 4 times.
00:23:40
I can count.
00:23:41
And I've accomplished what I've accomplished, but it's been an in and out kinda thing for me.
00:23:47
Like, I I'm kinda, like, asleep.
00:23:50
I'm doing it for a purpose.
00:23:52
Now I'm 18.
00:23:54
Okay.
00:23:54
Didn't expect I would win a national championship.
00:23:56
It allowed me to turn into a business.
00:23:58
It was a blessing because
00:23:59
Yeah.
00:24:00
Then I became known in the industry, and this is before we had cell phones that, you know,
00:24:07
had social media and all this stuff.
00:24:08
So this is 1998.
00:24:10
So being able to to get at the top and then having people help me, I opened up my personal
00:24:16
training studio.
00:24:17
I had, trainers underneath me.
00:24:20
That was fantastic.
00:24:21
I did that for all of my twenties and half of my thirties, but I I mean, I was done.
00:24:28
And then at 35, she was like, yeah.
00:24:30
You're gonna compete again.
00:24:31
I'm like, you're crazy.
00:24:32
I haven't done this for 17 years.
00:24:34
Like, I've lived and done it once as long as I've lived and not done it since.
00:24:39
So so but, but I was like, okay.
00:24:42
So we got married, and I needed a coach again.
00:24:46
Chris Aceto went through some health challenges, and Lee's kind of even more retired
00:24:51
than he was the first time.
00:24:52
So I just needed new guns, and there's a guy that really fit the mold personality wise
00:25:00
located in the New Jersey area.
00:25:01
His name was Jeff Lopez.
00:25:03
The amazing story behind Jeff is that he's a Christian guy and he treated how he trained me
00:25:08
that same way.
00:25:09
So anytime we would make diet changes, he'd tell me what to eat, and then there'd be this 6
00:25:13
or 7 second pause on the phone.
00:25:15
Yep.
00:25:16
Nope.
00:25:16
We're not gonna do that.
00:25:17
God told me we're gonna change it this way.
00:25:19
So so
00:25:19
I'm like That's awesome.
00:25:21
Like, okay.
00:25:22
So we're not doing what you just said?
00:25:24
Yeah.
00:25:24
And he's like, nope.
00:25:25
We're gonna change it to this much protein instead.
00:25:28
So, you know, it sounds crazy to some listeners, but fast forward, I tell you, then I
00:25:33
became out of nowhere in 17 years second in the world.
00:25:36
So there was reasons why all that took place, and I feel like that has also propelled why
00:25:41
I'm, you know, writing my first book.
00:25:43
It's in publishing right now.
00:25:44
It just all encompasses the uniqueness and the challenges of what we have to offer if we just
00:25:49
don't give up and just push forward and believe in ourselves too.
00:25:53
Yeah.
00:25:54
Let's talk about that book a little bit more because I love the name of the book.
00:25:59
I think it's how I just think about life.
00:26:02
So talk about the book.
00:26:04
There just isn't a finish line.
00:26:05
So the the book title is There is No True Finish Line, and it explains my story, in a
00:26:13
little more detail, the challenges that I went through even as a a kid in high school wearing
00:26:18
that back brace, the the mental toughness that it took.
00:26:23
There were times in my life where I was even, you know, I had suicidal thoughts because I was
00:26:28
made fun of, you know.
00:26:29
Kids would come up and knock on the brace.
00:26:31
It was it felt it was this hard plastic shell.
00:26:33
Like, you you get molded for a a cast.
00:26:36
It was like that, but it was plastic.
00:26:38
And I had to put it on every day.
00:26:40
I could only take it off when I went to bed or took a shower.
00:26:43
So it had 2 straps behind the back, which made it tight, and those were held on with some
00:26:48
metal grommets.
00:26:49
And if you broke the grommets, now you gotta get new grommets.
00:26:52
And, you know, again, it was 1994 to 96a half I was wearing that thing.
00:26:57
So, you know, it wasn't like you could get them on Amazon Prime.
00:27:02
So it was, so then there were times where I was scared that I'm not wearing it because I'm
00:27:06
waiting on grommets to come in.
00:27:09
But it was, a book that I wrote out of out of heart just to it came with a faith base too
00:27:17
because as I evolved in my personal life, I involved in my spiritual life and faith
00:27:23
foundation, so along the way there were quotes and evangelists and pastors and people that I
00:27:31
looked up to that really helped fuel me through those moments that I needed them.
00:27:37
I mean, the the way I thought when I was 18 to 20 is different than the way I thought at 35.
00:27:42
I think almost anybody can say that.
00:27:44
So I needed new challenges.
00:27:46
I needed new, thought processes to keep me stronger at that time in my life.
00:27:53
At the time, I was a evangelist named Jonathan Shuttlesworth that I remember I was listening
00:27:57
to his messages laying in bed in Las Vegas the afternoon right before finals.
00:28:04
So just to keep myself focused.
00:28:07
Because I'm a shy person when it comes to being on stage, you know, I'm a gorilla in the gym,
00:28:13
but if I have to stand up in front of a bunch of people and quote unquote show off, it's just
00:28:18
it does it's not my strong suit.
00:28:20
So I had one of the past world champions and current world champions at that time knock on
00:28:27
my door.
00:28:28
I remember, like, who's knocking on my door at the hotel room?
00:28:31
And it was him.
00:28:32
He said, can I come in?
00:28:33
And I was like, yeah.
00:28:35
Sure.
00:28:35
It was AJ Ellison, and he's like, you've got this.
00:28:38
You just have to come alive.
00:28:40
And I was like, okay.
00:28:42
So that's what I just focused on is my routine and everything, at that moment.
00:28:47
And yeah.
00:28:49
So the whole book encompasses faith and encompasses it's not self help.
00:28:54
I don't believe in that.
00:28:55
I believe in a higher power that helps you along.
00:28:58
And, of course, your efforts are aligned to it, but I think that when you are at the worst
00:29:08
point in your life and you have struggles that you cannot accomplish or overcome on your own,
00:29:14
there has to be something to help you and Yeah.
00:29:17
Just depends on what you decide that to be.
00:29:20
Yeah.
00:29:21
And that faith principle then is, like I mean, it's pivotal for most people.
00:29:24
Right?
00:29:24
You hit that point where you're like, man, I can't do this on my own.
00:29:27
And I don't even have people that can help me.
00:29:29
Right?
00:29:29
Because, like, we're all just humans.
00:29:30
We're gonna let each other down.
00:29:32
We're gonna fail.
00:29:32
Right?
00:29:33
But if you have that faith and just that security knowing that, like, god's got me, you
00:29:38
can kinda give it up at that point, the surrender principle, which is so hard, man.
00:29:42
Right?
00:29:42
I struggle with that every single day.
00:29:43
Like, just take it away.
00:29:44
God, I'm good.
00:29:45
Like, just give it up.
00:29:46
You know?
00:29:47
But, yeah, it's huge, man.
00:29:49
So when is, when is when is the book ready?
00:29:52
Or when are you, I know you said it's publishing, so you might not have a date on
00:29:56
that.
00:29:56
But
00:29:57
It should be very soon in the next couple months.
00:30:00
I'm working on some endorsement parts right now.
00:30:02
So Okay.
00:30:02
Sweet.
00:30:03
But, yeah, as soon as that's done, we'll work on cover and should be ready.
00:30:07
Nice, man.
00:30:08
Talk about kinda what you're doing with coaching and stuff now because you obviously
00:30:11
went through your own transformation, radical transformation, and now you're helping other
00:30:15
people kinda do that.
00:30:16
So Yeah.
00:30:16
The the best blessing for me is not to receive, but to give.
00:30:19
So I I pay it forward, and I've done so, where I can make it something that's financial to me
00:30:26
too.
00:30:27
As a Christian, I also believe in tithing and and giving back that way.
00:30:30
So it it's kingdom building.
00:30:33
That's what we talk about and believe in.
00:30:35
And what I do now is to help educate people on the the why and how to lose weight a 100%
00:30:44
naturally.
00:30:45
So I believe that the drugs people are taking right now to lose weight quickly is a fad.
00:30:51
There's not enough history and research behind them.
00:30:54
They work.
00:30:54
Yes.
00:30:55
But when you're done, do they teach you anything?
00:30:59
What are you gonna do with your
00:31:00
You just rebound.
00:31:01
Right?
00:31:01
Which is very inflammatory on the body.
00:31:03
Your body's like, finally, all this weight's gone, and then it's like, oh god.
00:31:06
And it gains it all back.
00:31:08
It's a lot of stress.
00:31:09
And we were just talking, you know, a few minutes ago about longevity and beating
00:31:14
genetics.
00:31:14
So if you're taking something like that and have that kind of stress and rebound, now
00:31:19
you're fighting against all that good knowledge we just expressed a little while ago.
00:31:23
So that's an example of things just, you know, common sense fighting
00:31:27
Yeah.
00:31:28
Reality.
00:31:28
I do it in a way where it involves some natural products that are amino acid based that bring
00:31:35
up your hormone levels to where they should be.
00:31:37
It does not exceed where they should be like a rejuvenation clinic would.
00:31:41
Not bashing them, but I'm sure they would agree with me that they never get it right the first
00:31:46
time.
00:31:46
So it's kinda like a plane trying to land in turbulence.
00:31:49
You know?
00:31:49
You might take a little much and then we'll blood test you again and see if you're a little
00:31:52
low.
00:31:52
We'll bring it back up again.
00:31:53
So you're always trying to find that perfect spot.
00:31:56
And then once you find it, it's gonna change when the person changes.
00:31:59
Yeah.
00:32:00
Where this changes your hormone levels just to where they should be for your age.
00:32:04
They're like adaptogens.
00:32:05
Right?
00:32:06
That's the that's a term with, like, adaptogens, like the mushrooms that we put in
00:32:10
the newts and stuff is, like, they're gonna if you're low, if your hormones are low, it'll
00:32:14
raise them.
00:32:14
If they're high, it'll lower them.
00:32:15
They're, like, really amazing compounds.
00:32:18
It's crazy.
00:32:19
Yeah.
00:32:19
That's awesome.
00:32:20
And then the nutritional plan that the whole family can eat from.
00:32:24
So there is, you know, food as well.
00:32:26
You're not stapling your mouth shut to lose weight.
00:32:28
You are gonna have all the normal meals you have throughout the day.
00:32:31
You're gonna have a snack.
00:32:33
I involve a lot of recipes too, so you can certainly eat what the family's eating, but
00:32:38
you're just eating for your portion and for your goals.
00:32:41
I had a female.
00:32:42
My average females lose about £15 a month and males are about £20 a month.
00:32:46
And I had a female that lost £16, and her husband, just by default, lost 20.
00:32:51
Yeah.
00:32:52
So it was like, man, that's a great testimony too.
00:32:55
So I love that.
00:32:56
Because, yeah, because, I mean, that's probably one of the biggest things with, like, our
00:32:59
optimizers program is that we're always at the beginning.
00:33:01
We're like, dude, you gotta get your wife on board.
00:33:03
If she's not on board, she's gonna be buying the cookies and stuff for the kids, and then,
00:33:07
dude, your temptation's gonna be there.
00:33:08
Right?
00:33:09
You're gonna sneak 1, and
00:33:10
then we're gonna have
00:33:11
to yell at you.
00:33:11
You know?
00:33:12
We don't wanna do that.
00:33:13
Yeah.
00:33:13
But, yeah, get everybody on the same page.
00:33:15
That's that's really important, man.
00:33:16
Yep.
00:33:16
It's a unit.
00:33:17
And then there's after you reach the goal, there's maintenance.
00:33:20
So you never have to to do products.
00:33:23
You know, it's not a hook on anything like that.
00:33:25
There's no real small print.
00:33:27
But, once you balance your body out, you're able to sustain it.
00:33:32
So it's a full, teaching protocol and educates the person on why they're doing what they're
00:33:39
doing for longevity.
00:33:41
Yeah.
00:33:41
Nice.
00:33:42
And so it's primarily focused on fat loss, weight loss.
00:33:45
That's kind of the most yeah.
00:33:47
Right.
00:33:47
Yeah.
00:33:48
Primarily focused on on fat loss.
00:33:50
And, you know, I have the common person too that comes up to me and was like, hey.
00:33:54
Will you train me or help me build muscle?
00:33:56
And I can do that.
00:33:57
You know, I can knock the dust off that and
00:33:58
Yeah.
00:33:58
Yeah.
00:33:59
You know, help somebody out.
00:34:01
But my focus is the epidemic of people that are, prediabetic, that are gastric bypass
00:34:07
patients.
00:34:07
You know, there's 1% death rate in gastric bypass.
00:34:11
So it's just a scary thing, and and none of these things from from drugs to surgeries are
00:34:16
teaching you anything.
00:34:17
Yeah.
00:34:18
It's like I always put it in the analogy of a fishbowl.
00:34:21
You're gonna drug the fish or clean the fishbowl.
00:34:24
So Fantastic.
00:34:26
Yeah.
00:34:27
And, like, you know, the analogy I use a lot of times when I see patients with, like, disc
00:34:31
issues.
00:34:32
Right?
00:34:32
This just made me think of it as, like, someone comes in with a herniated disc or a disc that's
00:34:36
compressed, and so they're having nerve irritation in their spine.
00:34:40
They're like, I was gonna get an injection.
00:34:41
I was like, you can get that injection.
00:34:42
You're gonna feel fantastic.
00:34:44
That did not fix the disc.
00:34:46
That did not, you know, take the pressure off that disc that's hitting the nerve.
00:34:48
It just made you not feel it.
00:34:50
Now you're probably gonna feel good.
00:34:51
You're gonna go do a bunch of stuff that's you shouldn't be doing and make it even worse.
00:34:54
Yep.
00:34:54
So it's like, how do we actually fix the issue, which is what you're doing?
00:34:58
And, I mean, maybe a little devil's advocate here, but would you ever say that there's a
00:35:02
time where you could use, like and I'm sure we're referring to the same drugs, like
00:35:05
semaglutide or, you know, those kind of, peptides that they use for the weight loss for
00:35:10
a brief period, but then educate someone to, like, hey.
00:35:13
When this is done, we gotta make sure we're dialing in here.
00:35:17
Sure.
00:35:17
So the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
00:35:19
So I I don't discount go walking into a an office that's promoting semiglutide or that's
00:35:26
promoting Ozempic.
00:35:27
Mhmm.
00:35:28
Oh, no.
00:35:29
They're just doing everything bad.
00:35:30
No.
00:35:30
I'll walk in and be like, hey.
00:35:32
When your patients are done doing what you're having them do Mhmm.
00:35:36
Refer them to me.
00:35:37
I will teach them how to keep it off and sustain their weight loss.
00:35:40
Yeah.
00:35:40
So we still work hand in hand.
00:35:42
Cool.
00:35:43
Thoroughly believe in that because at the end of the day, what are we all doctors here to do?
00:35:46
We're here to to serve the patient.
00:35:49
That's right.
00:35:49
And we're not here to try to just get what we can out of them and push them away.
00:35:55
So one can always domino effect in the the other, and we work synergistically.
00:36:00
Yeah.
00:36:00
I think you're very much like me and like Matt.
00:36:02
It's like, yeah.
00:36:03
I'm a doctor, but, like, I wanna be more of, like, an educator, and I want my patients to
00:36:07
come in here, learn as much from me as they can so they can do it on their own.
00:36:10
Right.
00:36:10
Right?
00:36:10
Obviously, they can't decompress their spine on their own that much, and there's certain things
00:36:14
you can't do.
00:36:14
But if I get you healthy, then you just keep it there.
00:36:17
I'm gonna give you the tools.
00:36:18
Now you do it.
00:36:19
Like, take control of your life.
00:36:21
Right?
00:36:21
This is you.
00:36:22
Like and I'm sure you've had to have this conversation.
00:36:25
It's like, I can't care more about your health than you do.
00:36:28
Yeah.
00:36:28
If I do, that's a that relationship, I don't even wanna take that on, because then there's
00:36:32
gonna be just there's gonna be problems there.
00:36:34
You have to care.
00:36:35
Right?
00:36:35
And you have to put in the effort.
00:36:37
Yeah.
00:36:38
I think, the the analogy to I love the, the enemy of the enemy is my friend.
00:36:44
I love that.
00:36:44
You give a man a fish, you know, he's you you gotta teach a man a fish.
00:36:49
That's right.
00:36:49
And that's part of the educational process of, like, how are you teaching them for that
00:36:55
component of longevity?
00:36:56
And I go back to this story that I just heard today.
00:36:59
So I was telling doctor Alessia this.
00:37:01
Ed Millett was just talking about a scenario in his life.
00:37:04
He was, like, in his mid thirties.
00:37:06
And, a doctor came up.
00:37:07
He had a screen done on his chest.
00:37:09
I think he was having some chest pains or whatever it might be.
00:37:12
And a doctor came into the waiting room, and he already had knew that, like, Ed had already had
00:37:18
the screen done.
00:37:19
But he came in there, and there was, like, about 3 people in the waiting room.
00:37:21
And he's like, can I speak to, Edward Mylett?
00:37:27
And, he he's like, yeah.
00:37:29
Yeah.
00:37:30
Yeah.
00:37:30
I've had my let.
00:37:31
And so he comes up, and he takes a look at them.
00:37:34
He's like, jeez.
00:37:36
I cannot believe these arteries are in that body.
00:37:42
Come with me, son.
00:37:43
And so he's, like, setting them up to like educate him, but he's like, he's like, alright.
00:37:49
What's going on?
00:37:50
What's in that folder?
00:37:51
So he takes him to the back room and he sits him down and he's like, tell me about yourself,
00:37:56
Ed.
00:37:56
You got kids?
00:37:57
He's like, yes, sir.
00:37:58
I have 2 kids.
00:37:59
He's like, how old are they?
00:38:00
He's like,
00:38:00
2 years old and 6 months old.
00:38:03
And he's like, okay.
00:38:04
He's like, you wanna see your, 2 year old graduate from high school?
00:38:08
He's like, yes.
00:38:11
And so now he's thinking, what the heck is in that file?
00:38:14
Like, tell me what's in that file.
00:38:16
And he's like, he's got another question for you.
00:38:19
He's like, do you want another man walking your daughter down the aisle?
00:38:22
He's like, what is it that what is in that file?
00:38:26
Please tell me what's in that file right now.
00:38:28
And he's like, well, you gotta listen to me.
00:38:30
You gotta you gotta do step by step what I'm gonna tell you.
00:38:33
But he immediately grabbed out of it.
00:38:35
The significance of, like, what his lifestyle, what he was predisposed to, and what his
00:38:40
lifestyle was is like, wait a minute.
00:38:42
So he calls that day, Bella's wedding day.
00:38:46
And he's like, I I'm gonna do everything in my power to make sure I set the foundation
00:38:51
correctly in order to walk my daughter down the aisle.
00:38:54
But it was one of those things where, like, you know, that's a doctor.
00:38:57
That's a that's like a teaching doctor.
00:38:59
I was like, I'm gonna teach this There's a
00:39:00
criticism severity there too.
00:39:02
Yeah.
00:39:03
It's a big deal, bro.
00:39:04
This is a big deal.
00:39:05
I mean, that kinda goes back to, like, what we're talking about a little
00:39:07
little bit ago with, like, the genetic testing.
00:39:09
Right?
00:39:09
I think everyone should kinda have an idea of where their genes are and what maybe their
00:39:12
predispositions might be.
00:39:14
And then it's like, what do you do with that?
00:39:15
A lot of people just get it, and they're like, oh, looks like I have heart disease in my
00:39:18
genes.
00:39:19
Fantastic.
00:39:20
What are you gonna do to combat that?
00:39:21
How are you gonna prevent that?
00:39:22
Right?
00:39:23
And then put in the things into play so that that doesn't become an issue or that you can
00:39:27
fight against it.
00:39:27
Knowledge is power in that sense.
00:39:29
Right?
00:39:29
Right.
00:39:30
You gotta know.
00:39:30
And that's why we run biomarkers, and that's why we do, like, you know, very thorough
00:39:34
histories.
00:39:35
I'm sure you do as well.
00:39:36
It's like, what things are we dealing with here?
00:39:38
What's what's gonna possibly be a hindrance in the future, and how do we prevent that?
00:39:43
Yeah.
00:39:43
And a little piece of the mental challenge too.
00:39:46
Like, what's the relationship with somebody that somebody has with their food and with
00:39:49
their lifestyle.
00:39:50
Yeah.
00:39:50
Yeah.
00:39:50
Totally.
00:39:51
Eating disorders, all that kind of stuff can get pretty deep.
00:39:54
How are we looking on time?
00:39:56
Yeah.
00:39:56
You wanna get to full field question?
00:39:57
Full field question.
00:39:58
I love this question.
00:40:00
I'm dude, I'm about to we should brace ourselves.
00:40:02
I feel like I'm gonna get thrown through the wall by his answer.
00:40:04
It's gonna be so good.
00:40:05
We have 6 pillars, and I think we've already shared these with you, but it's fuel, movement,
00:40:10
sleep, mind, work, and spirit.
00:40:13
And when you have all 6 pillars of the full fuel pyramid dialed in it's not a pyramid.
00:40:17
There's 6.
00:40:17
Right?
00:40:17
So hexagon.
00:40:19
If you have all all 6 of those dialed in, you are living full fueled.
00:40:23
How does Zeke samples live full fueled, and what does that mean to you?
00:40:26
That is a great question.
00:40:28
So full fueled, I would say, is faith, family, and finances.
00:40:32
I have pillars of my own, and I feel like when you have balances like you guys do, it life can
00:40:41
be maximized.
00:40:42
You know?
00:40:42
Everything that we do can really be taken to another level, and it all works on along the
00:40:48
lines of giving back to and finding our purpose.
00:40:51
It's finding something that's bigger than ourselves and serving that purpose.
00:40:58
So that's how I live life fully fueled.
00:41:01
Hell, yeah.
00:41:01
You do.
00:41:02
Yeah.
00:41:02
That's a great answer, brother.
00:41:04
I love that.
00:41:05
Is there anything you wanna leave the audience with?
00:41:07
Any advice?
00:41:08
Tell them where they can find
00:41:09
you if they're interested in learning more.
00:41:10
Sure.
00:41:11
So my personal website is my first and last name dot com, zeke samples.com.
00:41:17
And then my, weight loss website is, my business name, Surreal Body, and then h n.
00:41:25
The h stands for health.
00:41:26
The n stands nutrition.
00:41:27
It's just shortened.
00:41:28
Cool.
00:41:29
Awesome.
00:41:29
It's real body hn.com.
00:41:31
Yep.
00:41:31
And we'll put make sure those goes in the show notes.
00:41:34
But, you know, the only way the word's gonna get out is if you share it.
00:41:38
So we appreciate you listening today.
00:41:40
Sure.
00:41:40
Thank you so much, Zeke, for coming out of the show today.
00:41:43
And we'll be more Aw, dude.
00:41:45
And, I'll give you a
00:41:46
book and a call.
00:41:46
Scissors.
00:41:49
And then as always
00:41:50
do that again.
00:41:51
We expect you to live full fuel and live beyond limits, baby.
00:41:56
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00:41:56
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