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The drugs people are taking right now to lose weight quickly is a fad.
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There's not enough history and research behind them.
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They work.
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Yes.
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But when you're done, do they teach you anything?
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What are you gonna do with your
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You just rebound, right, which is very inflammatory on the body.
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Finally, all this way is gone.
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And then it's like, oh, god.
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And it gains it all back.
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It's a lot of stress.
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And we were just talking, you know, a few minutes ago about on jeopardy and beating
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genetics.
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So if you're taking something like that and have that kind of stress and rebound, now
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you're fighting against all that good knowledge we just expressed a little while ago.
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So that's an example of things just, you know, common sense fighting.
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Yeah.
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Reality.
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I do it in a way where it involve some natural products that are amino acid based that bring
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up your hormone levels to where they should be.
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Well, we're back.
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At the full field podcast with your host, Matt Tack.
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Doctor Alfred Lessi.
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And we have a super special guest today.
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Zeke samples.
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That's his real last name too.
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And I'm gonna describe Zeke here.
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Love it with, over 25 years of experience in the health and wellness industry.
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And once a weight loss patient himself, Zeke has overcome the past physical limit limiting
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challenges of scoliosis and Kyphosis?
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Yes.
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Is that right?
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Ask him.
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Exactly.
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He didn't go down
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there, buddy.
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I'll just find during his teenage years.
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To not lead a life dedicated to helping others and achieve their health and wellness goals.
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Zeke is a past national champion and runner-up world champion that the competitions, and pairs
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that experience with lifelong knowledge to his personal commitment to helping patients of all
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ages, needing nutritional and expertise guidance Yes.
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Welcome Zeke samples.
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Thank you, sir.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for having me.
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This has been in the making for quite some time now.
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And I like being around you, but I also don't like being around you because I literally feel
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like a peanut Dude, yes.
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I I
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remember I'll never forget that one time we were sitting together, and I was looking at you
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seriously just like listening.
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And you said, lost my concentration because you keep looking at me like.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's like he's the first thing you notice when the dude walks in
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his arms are bigger than my legs.
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I'm like, alright.
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Like, that that made me feel a little insecure about this just jacked.
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It's absolute unbelievable.
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You know, it was one of the coolest experience was when, I got to kinda quasi work out with
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you.
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I, I've met up with you, and, you were just, like, slang it around away.
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I'm just, like, pushed it on, like, holy This guy is an absolute monster.
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But meanwhile, I'm I'm one of the nicest people we will meet.
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Absolutely.
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You really are.
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Yeah.
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They have to turn my mic up today.
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So yeah.
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Yeah.
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We're gonna jump in a little bit of everything.
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We wanna jump into your coaching side as well.
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One of the things that I think is really cool about you is really the story of how kind of
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everything came about you dealing with scoliosis at a very young age, a spinal issue
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that eventually you to reach out to people and learn.
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So Tell us a little bit about that.
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Then how it led to becoming a national champion.
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I'm gonna run her up world champion in the body building competitions?
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Lot of fortitude and mindset.
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That's that's what it required.
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Yeah.
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So at 14, I wasn't really in my teenage years, I wasn't really the healthy kind of person.
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You know, I wasn't taught about nutrition.
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My family has an athletic background, but you know, did as generations progress, even our
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parents, you know, they were taught differently than the grandparents were.
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I mean, the weight room was the place that slowed you down and, you know, now it's
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somewhere that you have to to be in in order to be the best.
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So even the mindset shifts that we see today were even apparent back then.
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It just rolls through technology and what people actually believe to be true with
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nutrition and with exercise.
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I'm sure you see all that evolve in different ways.
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So for me, I started out as not really knowing much about anything, but then I was diagnosed
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at fourteen and a half years old with this back issue.
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Scoliosis and kyphosis were back brace for 2 years, high school years at a time when I was
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accepted to a prestigious boarding school that didn't allow cars on campus.
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It didn't, you know, if it was a mixer with a girl's school, it was a sign up sheet, a trip
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to the mall.
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It was a sign up sheet on a on a bus.
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That kind of thing.
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So very difficult part of my life to accept that what I felt was a defect at that time.
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In an environment where I was around kids that were there for athletics that were there for
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scholastic reasons and trying to make friends around all of that, was very challenging.
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That's how it kinda started was around my high school years.
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What eventually led to you start competing in bodybuilding?
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Well, it it kind of evolved that way only because I've became a product of my product.
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I it was a passion for me to start to understand exercise and a fear.
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It was fear driven or fear based because I was told I'd have metal rods put in my spine if I
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didn't correct my spine on my own.
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So I had just enough growth platelets left in my back at that age to make a decision, and it
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was all up to me, was I going to capitalize on this this moment, this short 2 year span of my
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life where I could learn about nutrition.
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I could learn about exercise.
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And I decided to dive into it, but nobody was there to really help me.
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I was going to see a physical therapist who was a, you know, sixty five year old woman at a
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local place in Orange, Virginia down from the school that you know, was just kind of into
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basic exercises.
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It was nothing that was gonna be like, hey, this is what you need to do to put muscle
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around this part of your your back or, you know, your your biceps compliment your your
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back muscles when you're exercising.
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So make sure you don't over train them.
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You know, there was none of that.
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So I had to learn all that through just magazines.
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And through that period of my life, I read and absorbed as much as I could through the
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magazines.
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That's kinda where it started.
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Getting, like, obsessive over it a little bit.
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Uh-huh.
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Yeah.
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Because I I looked at it as a point to save my life.
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It wasn't for any self gratification or glitz and glam, it was just, you know, if I look like
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this guy that I see in these pictures, then there's no way I'm gonna have metal rods put in
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my back.
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I'm gonna win.
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Yeah.
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Go back against the wall kind of story, you know, take it's an hour and ever.
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Yeah.
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That'll test what you got, though, for sure.
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Yep.
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That's awesome.
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One of the things that you did, during that stage that I used, you reached out to people I
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believe you reached out to, like, a an elite trainer at that time as well that was in your
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area and you're like, hey.
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This is something I want.
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Is this something you could help me with?
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Am I am I right on that?
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Yeah.
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So at that time, it was Lee Haney had just finished competing.
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He was 8th time, Mister Olympia.
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And he had won more than Arnold Schwarzenegger did, but Arnold went to to the movies where Lee
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was more of a family man.
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He kinda recluse from the sport dedicated to family time after he retired.
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But at that time, he still owned his gyms, and they were in Atlanta, Georgia.
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At that time, my grandparents were still alive.
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They lived in Sandy Springs, which was a suburb right outside of Atlanta.
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So we made a personal training appointment for me to go train with Lee at that time.
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It was it was around the same time that I was told that I didn't have to wear my back brace
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anymore.
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So to me, it wasn't a finish line.
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Like, it was like a golf clap moment.
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Like, congratulations.
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You killed yourself.
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You're stressed out and you busted your tail for 2 years.
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You don't have to do this anymore.
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Okay.
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Next.
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You know?
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So I I was like, no.
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I I I've learned all this stuff.
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Yeah.
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I can apply it for the rest of my life, but I'm also learning about the sport called
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bodybuilding and the sport called muscle and fitness, and I wanna see what I can do to
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challenge myself on a next level.
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Let me see if I can do what these guys have accomplished.
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So That's what got me to make the appointment with Lee.
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And, he was $250 an hour, which is still expensive today, but back then in 1995.
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It was really expensive, but I did it as a means to see if he would take me under his
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wing.
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There was a hidden purpose behind that appointment.
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It wasn't to get the t shirt, which he actually had with his face on it.
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It was to get, him to help me.
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And take me under his wing.
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So at that time, I worked out and, the first workout was good.
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You know, it was upper body.
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We kinda went through some exercises I told him at that meeting in his office what I wanted to
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do and my real purpose for being there.
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And he said, well, I'm really busy.
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I've got this thing called My Harvest House, which takes underprivileged kids off the
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streets of Atlanta, teaches them about farming, teaches them about countryside, because they
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weren't raised that way.
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They don't have these things.
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They were probably raised around drugs and on the streets.
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So it was a way for him to give back to the community And he said, let me talk to my wife.
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And why don't you come back tomorrow for another workout?
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And at that time, we kind of my dad and I looked at each other and I said, well, we don't
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really have the money to pay for another workout.
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And he leaned over and said, I didn't say you had to pay me.
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So that was a really interesting moment and a fun moment because now I got to train with this
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icon again for free.
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So we came back the next day.
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And that day, we, trained legs, but we actually ended up at the gym at the same time together.
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So as he parked, we were parking.
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We kinda walked in together, and he had a fanny pack on.
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And, you know, fanny packs are coming back now, but at at the time, they were cool back then.
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Yeah.
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And, he had this fanny pack on.
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And the reason that's significant is because to my story.
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He didn't go to his office.
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He didn't go to the bathroom.
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He didn't leave my side.
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We walked straight to the gym floor.
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And did the leg workout.
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I was really known for my leg strength at that time because, 1, I was reading magazines, but,
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2, I never put spinal compression on my back with squats.
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I would always do things like leg pressing or lunging.
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And, I mean, I could leg press 13, £1400 just for reps at at eighteen years old.
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And he had this vertical leg press the listeners.
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I don't know if you know what that means, but it's basically you can imagine yourself sitting
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in a space shuttle about to take off to the moon and the position that you see those guys
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in the movies, they're on their back.
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They're vertically looking up at the sky.
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Well, that's how you position yourself in this leg press.
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So when your feet go on this platform, it's above your head, like, where the ceiling would
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be.
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So if you screw that exercise up, you have all this weight that's gonna come down on you, and
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you're not gonna be able to crawl out.
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They have one of that my 40.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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You guys take a short video.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But that's my favorite exercise because it's so challenging, but at the same time, it takes all
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the compression off your back.
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So it's full power.
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And I think that's the moment that I really impressed him because you just kept putting
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plates on there, and I just kept doing it.
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So we walked back to his office, and he unzipped his Fanny pack.
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And he said, you know, I've given a lot of thought to what you asked me.
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And I'm willing to say yes.
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If you can come down and train, you know, with me all summer, I was like, okay.
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Yeah.
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I can do that.
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Oh, yeah.
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Any pulled out a workout sheet and he pulled out a nutrition plan that he'd already written.
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So around his waist, that whole time from leaving the parking lot to walking on the gym
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floor, he had made his decision.
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Pretty much for the most part, 90% of it.
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I mean, he still could have never revealed what he had to provide, but he had it already
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decided at some point, the night before the morning of, that he was gonna help this kid.
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So when I kept to what I needed to do, my dedication to prove myself, I shined to a point
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where he said, yeah, I'm gonna move forward and Hey, this is what I got.
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Let's let's get started.
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So I carry that on in my life with a lot of challenging moments I have now that have to do
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with situations where you're starting a new career.
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You're starting like you guys.
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You're starting, you know, the cohorts and everything with with the business, you're
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starting the new side of the practice, there's probably some fear in there.
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Like, is it gonna be successful?
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Are we gonna do it right?
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Are we gonna be able to make everybody happy?
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We gonna get good reviews.
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All those things.
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It's like, yes.
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They're valuable concerns, but at the end of the day, there are concerns that in a way you
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can't even control.
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You just have to keep pushing forward because you're always gonna be in charge of your
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destiny.
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And it rolls down to health and fitness too.
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It's one of the very few things that we have as a human being that we can always be in charge
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of.
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Yeah.
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What we put in our mouths, what we do with our bodies.
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100%.
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And that's, like, the goal with this whole movement of full is, like, you're in control.
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Right?
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Like, we can't do it for you.
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We can give you the tools.
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We can give you the building blocks, but ultimately, you had to do it.
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Right?
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You had to do the work.
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I wanna touch on something with the term body building, right, because I think people hear
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that, and they think that means you're competing or that necessarily means you're
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trying to go elite like you did.
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Right?
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You were the 1% or the 1%.
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That doesn't have to be for everyone.
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Right?
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And and and most people are never gonna do that.
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But you still need to body build.
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Right?
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What I deal with in my practice all the time is spinal corrective care, things like what you
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had, scoliosis, kyphosis, where your spine is moving out of balance because the muscles
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around it are not proportionately strong or weak.
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Right?
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So if we build our body up, obviously, you correct those deficiencies, but then building
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your muscular structure is a longevity place.
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Now your body can handle injury.
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It can handle faulty movements, right, you're less likely to get hurt.
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You bend down to grab something off the floor or pick up your kid.
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If you're getting injured, like, opening a drawer or, like, you you sneeze or something
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and you're getting hurt, that core strength is out there.
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So I think that's a big thing for, like, our audience is, like, body building isn't, like,
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some far away thing.
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I'll never attain.
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It's like, no, you everyone should be doing it to some degree.
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Would you agree with that?
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Oh, yeah.
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Totally.
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I mean, the definition vocabulary, if that's a word, would be exactly what you said, but image
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might be a guy in his underwear, but that's not really the the truth behind it.
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It's a sixty five year old.
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It can be body building just in a different way.
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Yeah.
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Definitely.
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Yeah.
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Mussel is just such a I mean, we, Gabriella Lion is just one of those.
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She's obviously wrote her and we'll
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get around here eventually.
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It's it's becoming a we will.
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It's becoming just like, that topic of how, like, how important muscular density is.
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As you progress later in life.
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And there's just, like, obviously, I think my feed's full of it too.
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I'm constantly, like, feeding my audience that there is never not a bad time to start building
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muscle mass.
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And, like, you can literally they had, this one the other day.
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A lot of people send me stuff now too.
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So I'm like, Thanks for the audience.
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That sends me sends me these reels of, like, these, this guy.
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This was me at sixty years old, but here's me at 71 to sit, like, I mean, he was, like,
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floppy.
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And now he's, like, a jacked and he's, you know, doing plyometrics and, has, like, an
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actual vertical.
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He jumped on that.
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You sent me a
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Oh, did I send you that?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And that goes to show you that it's, like, it's not too late.
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Like, humans are capable of, anabolism forever.
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Right?
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It's not like you get to a certain age and your body's all of a sudden, like, no.
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I'm not gonna do that.
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It's just a matter of you need more protein at an older age, right, to make that happen.
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You need more put, but it's easier if you don't stop.
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Right?
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So, like, the 3 of us are probably never gonna stop working out.
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I'm not gonna be like, yeah, I'm gonna take a few years off.
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No.
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It's something I just do.
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Right?
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But that will allow me to stay in that shape forever.
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Right?
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Absolutely.
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And I think there's some thought and conversation too that goes behind, genetics and
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getting started the earlier that you the earliest that you can in your life making that
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decision earlier because then you can beat some of that genetic code too for sure.
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Yeah.
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Peter Atia talks actually a lot about that on how it's not necessarily, like, when you know
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your genetics, and then they call it the E 4 over the E 4.
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So one of the big things is is do you have dementia potentially in that genotype?
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Do you have Parkinson's in the in those genotype, which we have Parkinson's, my family.
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Those are all neurodegenerative diseases.
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And so how do you go about not necessarily not getting them, but pushing them out further.
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Right?
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So that your quality, your health spans are just that much better over a quality period of
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time.
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And so he just, like, had broken down all the things, but, like, the the main thing is is,
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catering to exercise.
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And then what does that exercise look like?
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And he it's a very much on anabolic.
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So a lot of his routines being a longevity doctor is focused on the anabolic movement.
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But, you guys get read the book out live.
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Have you read the book out
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I'm in it right now.
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Yeah.
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Oh, man.
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The last chapter is the best chapter, so I'm not gonna ruin it for you.
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But, like, he just takes you through the principles of what that is.
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Ultimately, what it comes down to is, like, how you're reducing your oxidative stress loads to
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elongate that health span.
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Where you're just approving the quality of life over a period of time.
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But one of his main focuses right now is like, is building muscle is building a, you know, a
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dense muscular structure for the purposes of longevity.
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He realized that, like, all those challenges, the swimming challenges, everything that he
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incorporated in really took a toll on his body where it's like now more so catered like, where
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it's a very, very balanced approach to how we, to how he incorporates day to day for longevity
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purposes.
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Pretty cool.
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That's like the concept of epigenetics is that you're not determined by your genes.
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Right?
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The genes, like, load the gun, your lifestyle then pulls a trigger of whether it's disease or
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health.
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And so, you know, if you have cardiovascular disease, metabolic disease, Parkinson's,
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neurodegenerative in your genetics, because your family has it, and it's in there.
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Right?
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You have these g mutations, that doesn't mean you're gonna get it.
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You can do a lot of things that our bodies are constantly turning over all the time.
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In a year, your sales will be a totally different and you're still mad, right, soul
00:19:11
wise, but, like, your body will be new.
00:19:13
And so if that's happening, well, how are we rebuilding it with good stuff?
00:19:17
And so I talked about I think about that all the time.
00:19:19
It's like you're setting we just talked about this in a previous episode, like, today.
00:19:24
You're setting the stage for whether or not you're gonna be sick or healthy when you're
00:19:27
older right now.
00:19:29
For sure.
00:19:29
Where you're at.
00:19:31
I love the idea too of, challenges Like, I incorporate, I, like, try to incorporate
00:19:38
challenges into my year to year as far as, like, more healthy sustainable challenges where
00:19:43
I'm like, alright.
00:19:44
I wanna do this.
00:19:45
But you have a you have a kind of cool story that really your wife pushed on you a challenge
00:19:50
that you weren't you weren't really necessarily You're like, I don't know if I wanna do that.
00:19:54
You're like, she pushed you forward.
00:19:56
So you were a national champion, and then you guys got married.
00:20:01
And she's like, babe, I think you should do it one more time.
00:20:05
You're like, wait a minute.
00:20:06
And I wasn't even thinking of that route.
00:20:08
If I write out that story, where your wife gotta push you to the challenge and then, tell
00:20:13
us about that.
00:20:14
Yeah.
00:20:14
It was definitely a retired Rocky kind of moment.
00:20:18
So, I mean, and that's the thing.
00:20:20
Like, if if we're talking about this topic of there's so many, it can be Google can be a
00:20:27
confusing rabbit hole to listeners.
00:20:29
And you have to make sure that you pair yourself up with people that you trust that are
00:20:35
what we call the ace, the authority, the celebrity, and the expert in your local realm
00:20:41
or nationally that that can answer your questions and teach you.
00:20:46
And that's mean, my mind's thinking right now, even just off that question, how how much
00:20:52
things evolve with back to what you said about bodybuilding and that and the thought or the
00:20:58
misconstrued conception of it, the people that compete over and over again 3, 4, 5, 6 times a
00:21:04
year, their bodies aren't healthy.
00:21:06
They're breaking it down so much that it's not knowing.
00:21:10
Right?
00:21:11
It doesn't know what's going on.
00:21:13
Well, even the weight room or lack of food or nutrition, females, for example, if they're
00:21:19
getting their body fat too low, they miss menstrual cycles.
00:21:22
That's not a natural reason.
00:21:25
So I think doing it in balance is very important.
00:21:29
And now to answer your question for me, I mean, I've competed, I think, four times I can count.
00:21:35
And I've accomplished what I've accomplished.
00:21:38
But it's been an in and out kind of thing for me.
00:21:41
Like, I I'm kinda like asleep.
00:21:44
I'm doing it for a purpose.
00:21:46
Now I'm 18.
00:21:47
Okay.
00:21:48
Didn't expect I would win a national championship.
00:21:50
It allowed me to turn into a business.
00:21:52
It was a blessing because
00:21:53
Yeah.
00:21:54
Then I became known in the industry.
00:21:57
And this was before we had cell phones that, you know, had social media and all this stuff.
00:22:02
So this was 1998.
00:22:04
So being able to to get at the top and then having people help me, I opened up my personal
00:22:10
training studio at at trainers underneath me.
00:22:14
That was fantastic.
00:22:15
I did that for all of my twenties and half of my thirties, but I mean, I was done.
00:22:21
And then at 35, she was like, yeah.
00:22:23
You're gonna compete again.
00:22:24
I'm like, you're crazy.
00:22:25
I haven't done this for 17 years.
00:22:28
Like, I've lived and done it once as long as I've lived and not done it since.
00:22:33
So it's like, but, I was like, okay.
00:22:37
So we got married and I needed a coach again.
00:22:40
Chris Aceto went through some health challenges and Lee's kind of even more retired than he was
00:22:45
the first time.
00:22:46
So I just needed new guns, and there's a guy that really fit the mold, personality wise,
00:22:53
located in the New Jersey area.
00:22:55
His name was Jeff Lopez.
00:22:57
The amazing story behind Jeff is that he's a Christian guy and he treated how he trained me
00:23:02
that same way.
00:23:03
So anytime we would make diet changes, He'd tell me what to eat.
00:23:06
And then there'd be the 6 or 7 second pause on the phone.
00:23:09
He go, nope.
00:23:10
We're not gonna do that.
00:23:10
God told me we're gonna change it this
00:23:12
So so I'm like, it's awesome.
00:23:14
Like, okay.
00:23:16
So we're not doing what you just said.
00:23:18
Yeah.
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So, you know, it sounds crazy to some listeners, but fast forward, I tell you, then I
00:24:04
became out of nowhere in 17 years 2nd in the world.
00:24:07
So there was reasons why all that took place.
00:24:09
And I feel like That is also propelled while I'm, you know, writing my first book at some
00:24:14
publishing right now.
00:24:15
It just all encompasses the uniqueness and the challenges of what we have to offer if we just
00:24:20
don't give up and just push forward and believe in ourselves too.
00:24:24
Yeah.
00:24:25
Let's talk about that book a little bit more because I love the name of the book.
00:24:30
I think it's how I just think about life.
00:24:33
So talk about the book.
00:24:35
There just isn't a finish line.
00:24:37
So the the book title is there is no true finish line.
00:24:40
And it explains my story.
00:24:44
A little more detail.
00:24:46
The challenges that I went through, even as a a kid in high school wearing that back brace, the
00:24:51
the mental toughness that it took there were times in my life where I was even, you know, I
00:24:57
had suicidal thoughts because I was made fun of, you know.
00:25:00
Kids would come up and knock on the brace.
00:25:02
It was It felt it was this hard plastic shell.
00:25:05
Like, you you get molded for a a cast.
00:25:08
It was like that, but it was plastic.
00:25:10
And I had to put it on every day.
00:25:11
Can only take it off when it went to bed or took a shower.
00:25:14
So it had two straps behind the back, which made it tight.
00:25:18
And those were held on with some metal grommets.
00:25:20
And if you broke the grommets, now you gotta get new grommets.
00:25:23
And, you know, again, it was 1994 to 90 six and a half, I was wearing that thing.
00:25:28
So, you know, it wasn't like you could get them on Amazon Prime.
00:25:33
So It was, so then there were times where I was scared that I'm not wearing it because I'm
00:25:38
waiting on grommet to come in.
00:25:40
But it was a book that I wrote out of out of heart just to it came with a a faith base too
00:25:49
because as I evolved in my personal life, I involved in my spiritual life and faith
00:25:55
foundation.
00:25:55
So along the way, there were quotes and evangelists and pastors and people that I
00:26:03
looked up to that really helped fuel me through those moments that I needed them.
00:26:08
I mean, the the way I thought when I was 18 to 20 is different than the way I thought at 35.
00:26:13
I think almost anybody can say that.
00:26:15
So I needed new challenges.
00:26:18
I needed new, thought processes to keep me stronger at that time in my life.
00:26:25
At the time, I was a evangelist named Jonathan Shutlesworth that I remember I was listening to
00:26:29
his messages laying in bed in Las Vegas the afternoon right before finals.
00:26:36
So just to keep myself focused.
00:26:39
Because I'm a shy person when it comes to being on stage.
00:26:43
You know, I'm a gorilla in the gym, but if I have to stand up in front of a bunch of people
00:26:47
and quote unquote show off, it's just it does.
00:26:50
It's not my strong suit.
00:26:52
So I had 1 of the past world champions and current world champions at that time knock on
00:26:59
my door.
00:27:00
Remember, like, who's knocking on my door and got the hotel room?
00:27:02
And it was him.
00:27:04
He said, can I come in?
00:27:05
And I was like, yeah.
00:27:06
Sure.
00:27:07
It was AJ Ellison, and he's like, you've got this.
00:27:10
You just have to come alive.
00:27:11
And I was like, okay.
00:27:13
So That's what I just focused on is my routine and everything, at that moment.
00:27:19
And yeah.
00:27:20
So the whole book encompasses faith and encompasses.
00:27:24
It's not self help.
00:27:25
I don't believe in that.
00:27:26
I believe in a higher power that helps you along.
00:27:30
And of course, your efforts are aligned to it, but I think that when you are at the worst
00:27:39
point in your life and you have struggles that you cannot accomplish or overcome on your own.
00:27:45
There has to be something to help you.
00:27:47
And
00:27:48
Yeah.
00:27:48
Just depends on what you decide that to be.
00:27:51
Yeah.
00:27:52
And that faith principle then is, like, I mean, it's pivotal for most people.
00:27:56
Right?
00:27:56
You hit that point where Like, man, I can't do this on my own.
00:27:58
I don't even have people that can help me, right, because, like, we're all just humans.
00:28:02
We're gonna let each other down.
00:28:03
We're gonna Right?
00:28:04
But if you have that faith and just that security knowing that, like, god's got me, you
00:28:09
can kinda give it up at that point, the surrender principle, which is so hard Right?
00:28:13
I struggle with that every single day.
00:28:15
Like, just take it away.
00:28:16
God, I'm good.
00:28:17
Like, just giving it up, you know, but, yeah, it's huge, man.
00:28:20
So when is, when is when is the book ready or when are you, I know you said it's publishing.
00:28:26
So you might not have a date on that, but Yeah.
00:28:28
It should be very soon in the next couple months.
00:28:31
I'm working on some endorsement parts right now.
00:28:33
So Okay.
00:28:34
Sweet.
00:28:34
But, yeah, as soon as that's done, we'll work on cover and should be ready.
00:28:39
Nice, man.
00:28:39
Talk about kinda what you're doing with coaching and stuff now because you obviously
00:28:42
went through your own transformation, radical transformation, now you're helping other people
00:28:47
kinda do that.
00:28:47
So
00:28:47
Yeah.
00:28:48
The the best blessing for me is not to receive, but to give.
00:28:51
So I I pay it forward, and I've done so where I can make it something that's financial to me
00:28:58
too as a Christian also believe in tithing and and giving back that way.
00:29:02
So it it's Kingdom building.
00:29:04
I mean, that's what we talk about and believe in.
00:29:07
And what I do now is to help educate people on the the why and how to lose weight a 100%
00:29:16
naturally.
00:29:17
So I believe that the drugs people are taking right now to lose weight quickly is a fad
00:29:23
There's not enough history and research behind them.
00:29:25
They work.
00:29:26
Yes.
00:29:26
But when you're done, do they teach you anything.
00:29:30
What are you gonna do with your
00:29:32
You just rebound, right, which is very inflammatory on the body.
00:29:35
Everybody's like, finally, all this weight's gone.
00:29:37
And then it's like, oh god, and it gains it all back.
00:29:40
A lot of stress.
00:29:41
And we were just talking, you know, a few minutes ago about longevity and beating
00:29:45
genetics.
00:29:46
So if you're taking something like that and have that kind of stress and rebound.
00:29:50
Now you're fighting against all that good knowledge we just expressed a little while ago.
00:29:55
So That's an example of things just, you know, common sense fighting.
00:29:59
Yeah.
00:29:59
Reality.
00:30:00
I do it in a way where it involves some natural products that are amino acid based that bring
00:30:06
up your hormone levels to where they should be does not exceed where they should be, like, a
00:30:11
rejuvenation clinic would.
00:30:13
Not bashing them, but I'm sure they would agree with me that they never get it right the first
00:30:18
time.
00:30:18
So it's kinda like a plane trying to land in You know, you might take a little much and then
00:30:22
we'll blood test you again to see if you're a little low.
00:30:24
We'll bring it back up again.
00:30:25
So you're always trying to find that perfect spot.
00:30:27
And then once you find it, it's gonna change when the person changes.
00:30:31
Yeah.
00:30:32
Where this changes your home and levels just to where they should be for your age.
00:30:36
They look adaptogens.
00:30:37
Right?
00:30:38
That's it.
00:30:38
That's the term with, like, adaptogens, like, the mushrooms that we put in the newts and
00:30:42
stuff is, like, they're gonna if you're low, if you're almost low, it'll raise them they're
00:30:46
high, it'll lower them.
00:30:47
They're, like, really amazing compounds.
00:30:49
It's crazy.
00:30:50
Yeah.
00:30:51
That's awesome.
00:30:51
And then the a nutritional plan that the whole family can eat from So there is, you know, food
00:30:57
as well.
00:30:57
You're not stapling your mouth shut to lose weight.
00:31:00
You are gonna have all the normal meals you have throughout the day.
00:31:03
You're gonna have a snack.
00:31:05
I involve a lot of recipes too.
00:31:07
So you can certainly eat what the family's eating, but you're just eating for your portion
00:31:11
and for your goals.
00:31:13
I had a female Maveraged females lose about £15 a month, and males are about £20 a month.
00:31:18
And I had a female that lost £16 and her husband, just by default, lost 20.
00:31:24
So it was like, man, that's a great testimony too.
00:31:27
So
00:31:27
I love that.
00:31:28
Because, yeah, because, I mean, that's probably one of the biggest things with, like, our
00:31:31
optimizers program is that always at the beginning.
00:31:33
We're like, do you gotta get your wife on board?
00:31:35
If she's not on board, she's gonna be buying the cookies and stuff for the kids.
00:31:38
And then dude, your temptation's gonna be there.
00:31:40
Right?
00:31:40
You're gonna sneak one and then we're gonna have
00:31:43
to yell at you.
00:31:43
You know, we don't wanna do that.
00:31:45
Yeah.
00:31:46
Get everybody on the same page.
00:31:47
That's that's really important, man.
00:31:48
Yep.
00:31:49
And then there's after you reach the goal, there's maintenance.
00:31:52
So you never have to to do products.
00:31:55
You know, it's not a hook on anything like that.
00:31:57
There's no real small print.
00:31:59
But once you balance your body out, you're able to sustain it.
00:32:04
So it's a full, teaching protocol and educates the person on why they're doing what they're
00:32:11
doing for a longevity.
00:32:12
Yeah.
00:32:13
Nice.
00:32:13
And so it's
00:32:13
primarily focused on fat loss, weight loss.
00:32:17
That's kinda the most thing.
00:32:19
Yeah.
00:32:19
Right.
00:32:19
Yeah.
00:32:20
Primarily focused on on fat loss.
00:32:22
And You know, I have the common person that too that comes up to me is like, hey, will you
00:32:26
train me or help me build muscle?
00:32:28
And I can do that.
00:32:29
You know, I can knock the dust off that.
00:32:30
Yeah.
00:32:30
Yeah.
00:32:31
You know, help somebody out, but my focus is the epidemic of people that are, prediabetic
00:32:37
that are gastric bypass patients.
00:32:40
You know, there's 1% death rate in gastric bypass.
00:32:43
So it's just a scary thing.
00:32:45
And and none of these things from from drugs to surgeries are teaching you anything.
00:32:49
Yeah.
00:32:50
It's like I always put it the analogy of a fishbowl.
00:32:53
You're gonna drug the fish or clean the fishbowl.
00:32:56
So
00:32:57
It's fantastic.
00:32:58
Yeah.
00:32:59
And, like, you know, the analogy I use a lot of times when I see patients with, like, disk
00:33:03
issues, right, this just made me think of it as, like, someone comes in with herniated disc
00:33:07
or a disc that's compressed.
00:33:09
And so they're having nerve irritation in their spine.
00:33:11
They're like, I was gonna get an injection.
00:33:13
It's like, you can get that injection.
00:33:15
You're gonna feel fantastic.
00:33:16
That did not fix the disc.
00:33:18
That did not, you know, take the pressure off that disc that's hitting the nerve.
00:33:21
It just made you not feel it.
00:33:22
Now you're probably gonna feel good.
00:33:23
You're gonna go do a bunch of stuff that's you shouldn't be doing.
00:33:25
And make it even worse.
00:33:26
Yeah.
00:33:26
So
00:33:27
it's like, how do we actually fix the issue, which is what you're doing?
00:33:29
And, I mean, maybe a little devil's advocate here, but would you ever say that there's a
00:33:34
time where you could use, like, and I'm sure we're referring to the same drugs like
00:33:37
semaglutide or stuff.
00:33:38
You know, those kind of, peptides that they use for the weight loss for a brief period but then
00:33:44
educate someone to like, hey, when this is done, we gotta make sure we're dialing in here.
00:33:49
Sure.
00:33:49
So the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
00:33:51
So I I don't discount, go walking into a an office that's promoting semi blue titer that's
00:33:58
promoting Ozempic.
00:34:00
Oh, no.
00:34:01
They're just doing everything bad.
00:34:02
Now I'll walk in and be like, hey.
00:34:04
When your patients are done, doing what you're having them do, refer them to me.
00:34:09
I will teach them how to keep it off and sustain their weight loss.
00:34:12
Yeah.
00:34:13
So we still work hand in hand.
00:34:15
It's a
00:34:15
very believe in that because at the end of the day, what are we all doctors here to do?
00:34:19
We're here to to serve the patient.
00:34:21
That's right.
00:34:21
And we're not here to try to just get what we can out of them and then push them away.
00:34:27
So one can always domino effect into the other and we work synergistically.
00:34:32
Yeah.
00:34:33
I think you're very much like me and, like, Matt is, like, yeah, I'm a doctor, but, like, I
00:34:37
wanna be more of, like, an educator.
00:34:38
And I want my patients to come in here, learn as much for me as they can so they can on their
00:34:42
own.
00:34:42
Right.
00:34:42
Right.
00:34:43
Obviously, they can't do compress their spine on their own that much, and there's certain
00:34:46
things you can't do.
00:34:47
But if I get you healthy, then you just keep it there.
00:34:49
I'm gonna give you the tools now you do it.
00:34:52
Like, take control of your life.
00:34:53
Right?
00:34:53
This is you.
00:34:54
Like, and I'm sure you've had to have this conversation.
00:34:57
It's like, I can't care more about it.
00:34:59
Your help than you do.
00:35:00
Yeah.
00:35:00
If I do, that's a that relationship, I don't even wanna take that on because then there's
00:35:04
gonna be just there's gonna be problems there.
00:35:06
You have to care.
00:35:07
Right?
00:35:07
And you have to put in the effort.
00:35:09
Yeah.
00:35:10
I think, the the analogy too.
00:35:13
I love the the enemy.
00:35:15
The enemy is my friend.
00:35:16
I love that.
00:35:17
You give a manifest.
00:35:18
You know, he's you you gotta teach a man to fish.
00:35:21
That's right.
00:35:22
And that's a part of the educational process of, like, how are you teaching them for, that
00:35:27
component of longevity, and I go back to this story that I just heard today.
00:35:31
So I was telling doctor Alecey of this Edmelette was just talking about a scenario in
00:35:36
his life.
00:35:36
He was like in his mid thirties, and, a doctor came up.
00:35:40
He had screen done on his chest.
00:35:42
I think he was having some chest pains or whatever it might be.
00:35:44
And a doctor came into the waiting room, and he already had knew that, like, Ed had already had
00:35:50
this screen done, but he came in there.
00:35:52
There was, like, about three people in the waiting room.
00:35:54
And he's like, can I speak to, Edward Millett?
00:35:59
And he he's like, yeah.
00:36:02
Yeah.
00:36:02
Yeah.
00:36:02
I've had my let.
00:36:03
And so he comes up and he takes a look at him.
00:36:06
He's like, Jeez.
00:36:09
I cannot believe these arteries are in that body.
00:36:14
Come with me.
00:36:15
So And so he's, like, setting him up to, like, educate him, but he's like, he's like, alright.
00:36:22
Well, what's going on?
00:36:23
What's in that folder?
00:36:24
He takes him to the back room, and he sits him down.
00:36:27
He's like, tell me about yourself, Ed.
00:36:29
You got kids?
00:36:29
And he's like, yes, sir.
00:36:30
I have 2 kids.
00:36:31
He's like, how old are they?
00:36:32
He's like, two years old, six months old.
00:36:35
And he's like, okay.
00:36:36
He's like, you wanna see your, two year old graduate from high school?
00:36:40
He's like, yes.
00:36:43
And so now he's thinking, what the heck is in that file?
00:36:47
Like, tell me what's in that file.
00:36:49
And he's like, he's got another question for you.
00:36:51
He's like, do you want another man walking your daughter down the aisle?
00:36:54
He's like, what is it that?
00:36:57
What is it that file.
00:36:58
Please tell me what's in that file right now.
00:37:01
And he's like, we gotta listen to me.
00:37:03
You gotta you gotta do step by step what I'm gonna tell you.
00:37:06
But he immediately grabbed on him with the significance of, like, what his lifestyle Mhmm.
00:37:11
When he was predisposed to and what his lifestyle was is, like, Wait a minute.
00:37:15
So he calls that day, Bella's wedding day.
00:37:18
And he's like, I I'm gonna do everything in my power to make sure I set the foundation
00:37:23
correctly in order to walk my daughter down the aisle, but it was one of those things where,
00:37:28
like, you know, that's a doctor.
00:37:30
That's it.
00:37:30
That's like a teaching doctor.
00:37:32
I was like, I'm gonna teach this.
00:37:33
There's a
00:37:33
criticism severity there too.
00:37:35
It's a big deal, bro.
00:37:37
This is a big deal.
00:37:37
And that
00:37:38
kinda goes back to, like, what we're talking about a low
00:37:39
a little bit ago with, like, the genetic testing.
00:37:41
Right?
00:37:41
I think everyone should kinda have an idea of where their genes are and what maybe their
00:37:45
predispositions might be.
00:37:46
And then it's like, what do you do with that?
00:37:48
Lot of people just get it and they're like, oh, looks like I have heart disease in my genes.
00:37:52
Fantastic.
00:37:52
What are you gonna do to come combat that?
00:37:54
How are you gonna prevent that, right, and then put in the things into play?
00:37:57
So that that doesn't become an issue or that you can fight against it.
00:38:00
Knowledge is power in that sense.
00:38:02
Right?
00:38:02
Right.
00:38:02
You gotta know.
00:38:03
And that's why we run biomarkers and that's why we do, like, you know, very thorough histories.
00:38:08
I'm sure you do as well.
00:38:09
It's like, what things are we dealing with here?
00:38:11
What's what's gonna possibly be an hindrance in the future and how do we prevent that.
00:38:15
Yeah.
00:38:16
And a little piece of the mental challenge too, like, what's the relationship with somebody
00:38:20
that somebody has with their food and with their life.
00:38:23
So yeah.
00:38:23
Yeah.
00:38:23
Totally.
00:38:24
Eating sort all that kind of stuff can get pretty deep.
00:38:27
Are we looking on time?
00:38:28
Yeah.
00:38:28
You wanna get to full field question?
00:38:30
Full field question.
00:38:31
I love this question.
00:38:33
I'm, you know, I'm about to We should brace ourselves.
00:38:35
So I thought I might get thrown through the wall by his answer.
00:38:37
It's gonna be so good.
00:38:38
We have 6 pillars, and I think we've already shared these with you, but it's fuel, movement,
00:38:43
sleep, mind, work, and spirit.
00:38:45
And when you have all six pillars of the full field pyramid dialed in, it's not a pyramid.
00:38:50
They're 6.
00:38:50
Right?
00:38:50
So hexagon.
00:38:52
You have all all six of those dialed in.
00:38:54
You are living full fueled.
00:38:56
How does zeke samples live full fueled?
00:38:57
And what does that mean to you?
00:38:59
That is a great question.
00:39:00
So full fueled, I would say it's faith, family, and finances.
00:39:05
I have pillars of my own, and I feel like when you have balances like you guys do.
00:39:12
It life can be maximized.
00:39:14
You know, everything that we do can really be taken to another level, and it all works on
00:39:21
along the lines of giving back to and finding our purpose.
00:39:24
It's finding something that's bigger than ourselves and serving that purpose.
00:39:31
So that's how I
00:39:32
live life Holyfield.
00:39:34
Hell, yeah.
00:39:34
You do.
00:39:34
Yeah.
00:39:35
That's a great answer for that.
00:39:36
I love that.
00:39:38
Is there anything you wanna leave the audience with?
00:39:40
Any vice Tell them where they can find you if
00:39:42
they're interested in learning more.
00:39:43
Sure.
00:39:44
So my personal website is my first and last name .com.
00:39:49
Zeke samples.com.
00:39:50
And then my, weight loss website is, my business name, surreal, body, and then h n.
00:39:58
The h stands for health.
00:39:59
The n stands for nutrition.
00:40:00
It's just shortened.
00:40:01
Cool.
00:40:02
Awesome.
00:40:02
It's real body hn.com.
00:40:04
Yep.
00:40:04
We'll put make sure those goes in the show notes.
00:40:07
But, you know, only way the word's gonna get out is if you share it.
00:40:11
So we appreciate you listening in today.
00:40:13
Thank you so much, Zeke.
00:40:14
Coming out of the show today,
00:40:16
and we'll do one.
00:40:17
Oh, dude.
00:40:18
And And then as always Don't ever do that again.
00:40:24
Back to you to live full fuel and live beyond limits, baby.