The Crazy Injury Risks of Pushing Athletic Limits
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The Crazy Injury Risks of Pushing Athletic Limits

The episode kicks off with a look into UFC pre-fights and a discussion on steroids. The conversation shifts to the benefits of fasting for feeling 'Full Fueled', followed by a debate on steroid approval in UFC and NFL. The hosts examine the impact of steroids on health and performance across various sports. Trends in UFC injuries and prevention strategies are discussed, including a personal back injury story and recovery journey. The benefits of dynamic stretching and personalized training are highlighted, alongside training adaptations for different body types and goals. The hosts share football experiences and insights on injuries, early retirements, and the challenges of reaching professional sports levels. (0:00) Introduction to UFC pre-fights and steroid discussions (0:13) Exploring fasting to feel 'Full Fueled' (0:25) Debating steroid approval in UFC and NFL (3:00) Steroid impact on health and performance across sports (5:37) UFC injury trends and prevention strategies (7:40) Host's personal back injury story and recovery (9:16) Sponsor: Optimizers Program (12:10) Benefits of dynamic stretching and personalized training (18:45) Training adaptations for body types and goals (19:55) Hosts' football experiences and injury insights (22:24) Early retirement of famous players due to injuries (24:22) The challenge of reaching professional levels in sports (26:01) Injury comparison across various sports (27:09) Injury prevention and recovery techniques (29:38) Fitness maintenance advice for the everyday person (30:48) Emphasizing the role of recovery in injury prevention (31:27) Importance of listening to your body during workouts (32:10) Episode wrap-up and final thoughts

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Go watch some of

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those pre fights in Yossi moments.

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Oh, nasty.

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Yeah.

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Blood all over the place.

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Yeah.

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Obviously, blood now.

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They broke a noses or whatever, but people were going in there to die.

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Yeah.

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Actually did.

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People were head butting people.

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Like, there was no rules.

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It

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was Yeah.

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For, you know, nuts.

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Full field.

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You're full field right now?

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Right now, baby.

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I'm I'm fasting.

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So, you know, most people to have under field, but,

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no, I

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feel full field.

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Yeah.

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It's all day,

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baby.

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We just love it.

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That's What do we

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what do we do today, bro?

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Injuries, baby?

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Injuries.

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Injuries.

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We're talking about injuries today.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But before we get into that, Dude, let's talk about figuring out steroids.

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You just got approved for, the UFC.

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It's not even that they got approved.

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They just, like, usada, the dope anti doping agency basically was like, we're not part of

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this anymore.

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We're just basically, like, cut their, like, partnership Oh, that's what it was.

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So it's like, oh, so it wasn't like

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it it wasn't, it wasn't like Dana White was like, we're gonna approve this.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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It was like, yo, we're out.

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We're we're just not, you know, no way.

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Yeah.

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And I think it was I mean, due dudes have been doing servers in the UFC forever.

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Not not necessarily, like, analog steroids, but, like, performance enhancing things.

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Well, you can disguise them.

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Right?

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Oh, yeah.

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You can or you take a shit ton of stuff in the off season.

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You pass a couple fudgy tests.

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Yeah.

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And then, like, when it comes to, like, fight, you, like, just piss clean.

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And it's, like,

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we were talking about this before the show.

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What what do you think is gonna happen?

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Like, your kid, guys' face is gonna be ripped off?

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Like, what what I

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don't know.

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I mean, what dude, like, if you go back to, like, the original UFC, It was it was ugly,

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man.

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Dude, it was The rings were

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This is covered in blood.

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Pre Dana white.

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That's right.

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Before they got, like, real legit paper view, all that, it was it was bloodbath.

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Like, the, like, go watch some of those pre fights at UFC war and

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stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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Like, blood all over the place.

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I mean, there's obviously blood now, broken noses or whatever, but, like, it was, like,

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people were going in there to die.

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Yeah.

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People actually did.

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People were head butting people.

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Like, there was, like, there was, like, no rules.

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It was Yeah.

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Freaking nuts.

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I mean, it was one of those things something I mentioned to you.

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It's like when the NFL kind of like you were disguised in a lot stuff.

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There's Sean.

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It was like Sean.

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It wasn't Sean Maryweather.

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It was something that he played for the chargers.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Dude, he was yoked out.

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He killed everyone.

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He was,

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like, murdered everyone.

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But he was on people.

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Mitchell for, like, 2 years, and then he was gone.

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Then

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he was dead.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that might be I think he died.

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Did he really?

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I think so.

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I don't know.

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You don't quote me on that one, but

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Ah, yeah.

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But so, I mean, he was a missile.

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It could be where, like, that's what that's what could happen.

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These guys careers.

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Yeah.

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I mean, if you think about the sport, bro, a lot of it's like grappling and, like, these,

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like, find, like, kind of you gotta be, like, mobile and be able to, like, get your way out

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of stuff.

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If you're big, like, jacked muscle bound guy, that's probably not up to your benefit.

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Right?

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Like, Yeah.

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I wouldn't think about,

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like, the JiuJitsu guys.

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It's also gonna be the weight classes that are gonna, like, obviously, the heavy weights are

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just gonna be moths.

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2 freaking happens in there just burns.

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Just brains out there.

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Reagan, who is, who who's the who's the guy now?

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I haven't watched it in a while, but, I mean, it's still Yeah.

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I I don't know names like that.

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Brock Lessener was the dude that was, like, forever.

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He was, like, monster.

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He had

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to be, you know, saying,

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yeah, when he was something, bro.

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He had to.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Now he's, now he's more of a WWE guy.

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Yeah.

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He's back at it.

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He was WWE came over to UFC back to WWE.

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What they need to do

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is they need to get guy, Thor Bjornson.

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He's the power.

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He's like, this power lifter that's, you know, he's won all kind of competitions.

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He played, in Game of Thrones, like, the mountains.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No.

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He exactly.

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He's humongous.

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They

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did.

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He's humongous.

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They did.

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He's like, he's like 6, 8.

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Oh, yeah.

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He's it's, yeah, he's up

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there.

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He's

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huge.

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Yeah.

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I mean Just afraid.

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That he has the freak of a human.

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Right.

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I mean, obviously, there's some pharmaceuticals in there.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Scatterby.

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But, I mean, I think as far as UFC bro, like, I think dudes are gonna be recovering better.

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Right?

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Like, you know, always help you to recover.

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They help you speed that up, help you to get more, like, muscle growth, which, like, muscle,

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like, we talked about in in past episodes is kind of per it's protective.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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It's protective of your joints.

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You have more muscle.

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But what

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does it do?

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So, like, this is the thing.

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What does it do later on in life?

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Like, are these guys, like, not gonna have testicles?

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Oof.

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Yeah.

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What?

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Like, they get

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That's a side effect.

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Right?

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Like, shrink

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They're penis amputated?

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Like, they just don't, like, what what happens?

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Like, the thing falls off.

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Like, that's Doesn't affect your penis.

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It affects.

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Your testicles and, I just I just spit a little bit.

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It got a little excited there.

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It affects the testicles and the production of testosterone.

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So, like, when you're getting an exogenously, right, or or that that's why they shrink.

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But,

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so they will shrink.

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They'll, like, freaking, like, little raisins.

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But I don't know.

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Guys can't get enough.

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See, that's the thing is, like, the long term effects to it.

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It's like, bro, you can't even enjoy sex at that point.

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You're freaking you were yoked out and every dude is just looking at you.

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Like, bro, this dude is jacked.

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Yeah.

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And maybe I'm getting a half shot looking at you because that dude is checked.

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But the reality is is that that dude can't get it up with this girl anymore.

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This girl hates him.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he might be You know, there's a lot of, like, like, what's the real benefit?

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Like, I guess, I can be like Knock

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a bunch of people out and make a bunch of money.

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But it depends on it's a trade off.

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Right?

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There's a significant trade off

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there.

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Yeah.

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It's a big trade off.

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Yeah.

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I mean, and segue into injuries.

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Like, I'm

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dude, I'm

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I'm that's a big injury.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around.

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Yeah.

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Long term.

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Trying to wrap my head around, like, if there's gonna be more injuries, like, is gonna see

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someone die, right, in the UFC because these guys are just so Heart condition.

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Hitting so hard at heart conditions, but I mean, just like hitting so.

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Oh, yeah.

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Right.

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Like, how much force is behind, like, one of those heavyweight punches, dude.

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Like Yeah.

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It'll probably kill me.

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Right?

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Like if one of those dudes, like, £300 guy, I'm a £175.

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Like, it struck me in the as hard as he could.

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Like, I'd probably have some serious brain injury.

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No doubt.

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So, like, that being, like, repetitively done, bro.

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Most boxers have some kind of t long term, like, concussive effects, you know.

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It's

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like these these neurodegenerative things that happen.

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So I don't know if it's good or bad.

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I think it's pretty crazy.

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I think,

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I think it's wild now.

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Yeah.

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When you start to drop regulations, man, and it's just like the Wild West, like, some, I

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don't know, people just have to see what happens.

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We will see we will see.

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I

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I mean, as far as, like, injuries, bro, it's like, like, this is what we were kind of

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talking about earlier.

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Like, are they preventable?

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Right?

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Like, can you forever live an active life where maybe you're kinda not like like pushing the

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limits that hard, but like you're you're working out and you're daily, like, are you

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gonna always be able to prevent injury?

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Like, is that realistic?

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Or is, like, life just life, you know, which is where I kinda lean.

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It's like shit happens.

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Like, yeah, shit happens.

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I think it definitely unavoidable.

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I mean, if you're playing life that way, not to get injured, man, that sucks.

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Honestly, it's sucky life.

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Like, I wanna stretch things a little bit Yeah.

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Me in particular.

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Like, I wanna see, you know, to the extent, that's, I think, the beauty of setting a

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baseline for something.

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And then you know, hitting CPRs and doing those things is that, you know, they will come.

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Yeah.

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But then how do you mitigate that time frame and when they do come.

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Right?

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How can you rebound all that much quicker?

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Mhmm.

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And that's where you've been extreme help for me even this past week.

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I tweak my back because the reality is I I got sick.

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Right?

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I got a little head cold.

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And that that all, ultimately, is it it's just gonna create a little bit lock up in your body.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And then I'm I want I still want to go work out.

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And so I remember, I was like, man, I'm not feeling great.

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Like, I'm not feeling a 100%.

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And I'm gonna go work out.

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And so I did a crossfit workout, and, I remember.

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I know it exactly what it was.

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We were doing front squats.

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And I didn't go heavy.

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So I put 225 on there.

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Yeah.

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And I didn't feel it in the moment, but I felt it later on in the day.

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And I'm like, oh, man.

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I was like, I locked up something.

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Like, something doesn't feel right.

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So that's when I immediately took precautions.

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I did, you know, obviously, heat therapy.

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And cold therapy.

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And then I went, got adjusted by you.

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You put me on the decomp.

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Yeah.

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But I went through 3, 4 days of that just cycling through because I wanted to shorten up

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the wind shorten up the window.

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So for me, no.

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It's unavoidable, man.

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I'm like, that's it's part of my life.

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Right?

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I'm gonna work out, and then I work out to be functional in other things.

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Right?

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So, like, I wanna be functional.

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We're talking about, before before the show.

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Like, I wanna be around my kids, and I wanna be playing on the freaking floor and doing stuff

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and picking them up Yeah.

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My my seven year old's, like, £90.

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I, like, I wanna be able to pick her out, right, and do those things.

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Sometimes I'm gonna some things might happen.

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Right.

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But, you know, more than More than not, I'm prepared.

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And then, you know, when I'm obviously injured, I wanna shorten that times.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think, like, with training, it, you

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know, it all depends on your goals.

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Right?

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But, like, for the for the people we're we're kind of speaking to in this regard, probably

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some kind of, business person who has a family and is, you know, training to be to look good

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training to be in shape and for longevity.

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They're not training for an NFL game.

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They're not training for this, like, high level sport.

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They're just training for life.

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Right?

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So it's like, yeah, you gotta you gotta have a balance there between, like, like, looking good

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and putting on muscle and, like, being able to move that muscle,

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right,

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versus, like, the the guys who just get real tight muscle and then they go to pick up their

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kid and her knee at, like, three discs.

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It's like, you don't wanna be

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you don't wanna be that.

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Like, it's,

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compromised.

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Yeah.

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So, like, I think you can you can help mitigate injury, right, and and get more preventable,

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but, like, far as, like, life stuff, bro, like, you were talking about, you get a little sick.

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You're trying to keep up with your routine.

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Your body's maybe a little bit more inflamed a little bit less, like, you you have less of

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that push.

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So maybe you pushed the the front squad a little bit and your your form went and your low

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back took over where your your hips and glutes should have, and then you locked up.

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Right?

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So it's like those kind of things just happen, man, that's life, but you can do your best to

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mitigate that by doing the right things.

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Right?

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Like like phone rolling is fantastic for

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I'm not the self malefacial release yet.

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I think stretching is great, but, like, yeah, and a and a time and place.

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I'm not the biggest fan of, like, static stretching all the time.

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I think, more like, like, dynamic stretching, like, doing, like, taking your body through

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ranges of motion that are gonna be somewhat like a stretch, but it's moving opposed to just

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like holding a hamstring stretch for a minute.

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It's like you're just creating, like, so much, like, laxity almost in that joint.

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So I'm not the biggest fan of that.

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I don't usually recommend people do that all the time.

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I think post workouts, static stretching is good.

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Yeah.

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But I'm more of a fan of, like, a dynamic functional kind of, a range of motion

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stretching.

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Yeah.

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Was telling actually a couple guys that I was leading through.

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I was just helping them out.

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And, I you know, one thing that I do is I incorporate that in the shower.

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So, like, dynamic stretching in the shower when your body's heating up.

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Okay.

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So, like, on a bar soap, bust your ass.

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But I I do it because my body is, like, a little bit more open.

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Right?

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My blood flowing.

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The heat's hitting my back.

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And so I'll do I'll do, like, 2 to 3 minutes of just, like, pure stretching in the shower.

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Yeah.

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My wife thinks I'm a little crazy, but, I mean, it's I'm in a great environment to do it.

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Right?

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I'm, like, stacking kind of both of those together and my body's already heated up.

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Yeah.

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So or

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or, like, if due to, like, one of my favorite hack before, like, before I lift, right, is,

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like, Asana

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Yeah.

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With some movement.

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So, like, if you have access to Asana that's big enough for you and you can do some kind of

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bodyweight squats and maybe some push ups, you know, some kind of dynamic stretching, moving

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the arms, moving the legs, those like hip openers and closers.

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Plus that heat.

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Like you said, it's getting like circulation.

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It's getting blood flowing through the body.

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Yeah.

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You go to work out, bro, and you feel like ready.

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Just monitoring.

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Yeah.

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You don't feel like stiff and you're having to, like, you know, kind of force

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it up.

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And that's what something that's when an injury happens, anyway, when you're stiff.

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Right?

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So the warm

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up is real important.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Most people are like, oh, I got an hour to work out.

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I'm gonna just go straight from sitting at a desk all day to try to bench press this way.

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Yeah.

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It's like, dude, like, that's asking for That's asking for problems.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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One of the one of the big things is, like, preventative, I think, of golf.

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When you know, majority of amateur golfers show up, like, 5 minutes before their tee time and

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expect to, like, play a good round.

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Right?

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I should have at the tee time.

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What the hell can I hit the ball?

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It's all frustrating.

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Like, But when you're, like, at the range, you've heated up, your body's getting

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acclimated.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You have some kinetic motion, some muscle memories coming back a little bit.

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You're prepared to go into your round a little bit more.

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You're like, oh, dang.

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I I part

00:13:30
a little better.

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Right?

00:13:31
Yeah.

00:13:31
In good sense.

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Right?

00:13:32
You're putting odds in your favor.

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Right?

00:13:34
Yeah.

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It's the same thing with the working out.

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It's also, like, preventive of injury.

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There's, like, injuries that even that occurred during golf.

00:13:40
Yeah.

00:13:40
It's because you freaking going 5 minutes before the tee time and Yeah.

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You know?

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Not, not swinging the club at all.

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They do just hack hacking away.

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Yeah.

00:13:49
That's right.

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A 9 iron or a driver that

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Yeah.

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You know, your body wasn't for that quite yet.

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Yeah.

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And how many injuries you see bro or, like, even I'm I'm guilty of this in the past, like,

00:13:58
the ego injury

00:14:00
in the

00:14:00
jam bro and you got the got the weight on the bench press.

00:14:02
So you got the weight on the swap bar, and there's someone next to you who's doing a

00:14:05
little bit more.

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You're like, oh, shit.

00:14:07
I I gotta do more.

00:14:08
Like, I gotta be like this guy, you know, you throw a little bit more weight on there than

00:14:11
maybe you can do.

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Yeah.

00:14:12
And you

00:14:12
end up kinda pushing it, tweaking something and not, you know, so it's like checking that ego,

00:14:16
making sure you're not going in there to prove anything to anyone else.

00:14:20
Right?

00:14:20
Like, go to the gym to get better for yourself.

00:14:22
For sure.

00:14:22
I think ultimately is a huge problem for most people.

00:14:25
It's like, to be contest in most gyms.

00:14:27
Right?

00:14:27
Your your big box gyms.

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Everyone's in there to look good and kinda show off a little bit.

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And it's like, check that at the doorman and just go in there to get better.

00:14:35
Right?

00:14:35
Like, it's you versus you.

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It's not you versus anyone else in there.

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Right?

00:14:38
I love that.

00:14:38
Yeah.

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And, I think that that kinda segues until, like, you gotta be training for not only your

00:14:45
goals, right, like, like, my goals are different than your goals are different than

00:14:48
don't know what else those goals.

00:14:49
Right?

00:14:49
Like, your goals are specific to you, but also, like, your body type.

00:14:52
Right?

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I know we we talked about this a lot.

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Like, you and I, it's, you know, people have different body types.

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You're ectomorph, mesomorph, and the morph, just the hybrids in between.

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It's like, people are just gonna naturally be able to have more muscle can do more of those

00:15:06
power lifting type moves and be and be good with pushing heavy weight.

00:15:09
Mhmm.

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Other people like your your long distance runner type builds, that's probably not in

00:15:15
their best favor.

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I mean, yes, they should strength train, but it's, like, to an extent, they have to be,

00:15:20
conscious of their frame.

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Right?

00:15:21
And, like, Like, tell me a little bit about what what you were talking about earlier.

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Like, the the this is actually new to me is, what the the the amount of muscle or weight of

00:15:30
muscle should have on their frame.

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Right?

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Oh, naturally.

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And this is, like, untrained over the course of a lifetime is that typically max, you can hold

00:15:38
£50 of additional muscle which I was like, when he said that, so Alan Allergan, he's a,

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obviously, a nutrition scientist and pretty well known.

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Mhmm.

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But He was the one who basically was saying that, you know, pick up a forty five pound.

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Like, and That's a lot of weight.

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That's a lot

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of weight.

00:15:54
Yeah.

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Right?

00:15:55
Yeah.

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Holding your kid or whatever.

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That's a lot of way to, like, hold on a muscular frame.

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Right.

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And then you're you were saying that, you know, just imagine if you extend beyond that, right,

00:16:04
whether it's artificially or you're, like, increasing your caloric intake to loads that

00:16:07
you probably You probably shouldn't.

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Right?

00:16:12
Yeah.

00:16:12
Then you increase that, and then it becomes, like, where what does your joints?

00:16:19
Right.

00:16:19
Over, you know, the course of a lifetime.

00:16:21
Right?

00:16:22
Like, you're enhanced.

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Like, yeah.

00:16:24
Yeah.

00:16:24
You know, and that's pure muscle.

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But, you know, we even talk about, you know, people are overweight.

00:16:29
You know, you're just sloppy and you're you're holding on excess weight.

00:16:32
Yeah.

00:16:32
Like, what that dust you're doing.

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Weight is great.

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Right.

00:16:34
There's degradation muscle fat gravity is gonna pull down on your body.

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Right.

00:16:38
So, like, the more you have, the more it's gonna pull.

00:16:41
I think that the example we were talking about earlier was Ronnie Coleman, like,

00:16:44
yeah,

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he was freaking dude, look, him and his prime, he was insanely like, I like Literally.

00:16:54
Just walking around.

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I freaking

00:16:55
can't even walk.

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Now every every little reel you get of him and him and Arnold are, like, hanging out

00:17:00
Yeah.

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On Venice Beach.

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And the

00:17:01
dude Can't even freaking walk?

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Yeah.

00:17:04
Yeah.

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Well, he pushed the limits beyond.

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Yeah.

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I

00:17:06
mean, like, yeah, he won a bunch of shows and was like this looked like a Greek god, like,

00:17:11
but now he's has no discs in his spine.

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Yeah.

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And so, like, he he I I think he has fusions in his entire back.

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Yeah.

00:17:19
So it's like, man, like, what's the trade off?

00:17:21
Right?

00:17:21
Like, do you know all this in the prime year life to, like, have no future locally.

00:17:25
Let's talk about that for a minute because I love this concept of, like, body building

00:17:29
because it is it's definitely one of these things where you're like, man, like, it's a we

00:17:35
went to it was a fitfest.

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I think it was USA fit or something like that.

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Nutrisious, we had a we had a boot there.

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Yeah.

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And I was looking at these guys, and I'm like, Bro, they are specimens.

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Like, I'm like, man, they're sped like, dude, I'm not no, I'm all.

00:17:49
They're freaking good looking dudes.

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I'm like, these bodies are

00:17:51
Well, that's what it reminds me.

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It's like, I wanna be like that.

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You know what I mean?

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So then, no, like, big dude, and is doing this over the course, you know, maybe even won some

00:18:01
competitions.

00:18:02
So Ronnie Coleman, obviously, won some Jay Cutler winning some competition.

00:18:05
Yeah.

00:18:05
Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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Yeah.

00:18:06
Honors.

00:18:07
Definitely, I would say has, like, kept himself pretty well, but then at the expense of, like,

00:18:08
you getting to sixties, you know, 5th late fifties sixties now, and you can't keep it

00:18:23
together.

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Like, I mean, some of these guys' bodies are just, given up on them.

00:18:27
Yeah.

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And

00:18:27
I'm like, that's kinda honestly a little early.

00:18:30
Like, I think longevity wise, I'm like, man, it I kinda wanna be moving like, you know, well

00:18:35
into my eighties.

00:18:36
It's freaking sad, man.

00:18:37
I think it sucks.

00:18:38
So, yeah.

00:18:39
Yeah.

00:18:39
Like, you did that, my head.

00:18:41
It ain't all that cool.

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Like, they're definitely pushing those boundaries.

00:18:45
Yeah.

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I don't know.

00:18:46
What are your thoughts?

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Cause I I'm like, dude, that's a sexy ass man.

00:18:49
Yeah.

00:18:50
I think Dude, I think you gotta know, right, like, the consequences.

00:18:54
Yeah.

00:18:54
You have to know.

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Go on ahead.

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I'm gonna.

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If somebody knows and doesn't share that with you and or lies and and you go into it without,

00:19:01
then that sucks.

00:19:01
Like, it's unfortunate.

00:19:03
Like, you gotta know, hey, I might compromise my future years because I wanna achieve some

00:19:10
goal right now.

00:19:11
Yeah.

00:19:11
The same with, like, NFL players, bro.

00:19:12
It's like, these NFL running backs, man, brain injuries, massive injuries, like ACLs, hips,

00:19:18
like, all that kind of stuff.

00:19:19
Dude, they get just beat to hell.

00:19:22
Like, bro, by the time they're fifty, these dudes are are are not functioning.

00:19:25
You know what I mean?

00:19:26
And it's like, but maybe you made 1 and 1 of dollars

00:19:29
to you.

00:19:30
It was worth it.

00:19:30
I I don't know.

00:19:31
Like, I don't think to me it would be.

00:19:33
Like, I wanna be able to move.

00:19:34
Well, you can make 1 and 1 of dollars well at your 80s with a good brain.

00:19:37
Yeah.

00:19:37
So it's just, like, again, man, it's like you if you everyone's autonomous human can make

00:19:42
decisions for themselves, To you, you want to make that decision and do that?

00:19:45
Do it.

00:19:45
Like, I'm not gonna tell you no.

00:19:46
Do whatever you want.

00:19:47
Yeah.

00:19:48
But know that it does have downstream effects, right, later in life, and there's gonna be

00:19:52
things that come with it.

00:19:54
That's that's that is one

00:19:55
of the things about the game of football that I've had I've had the biggest thing.

00:20:00
My dad did not So he let me play football.

00:20:02
I wasn't allowed to play.

00:20:03
You weren't allowed to play?

00:20:04
My god.

00:20:04
My parents were like, no.

00:20:05
Like, you're a small, little Italian kid.

00:20:07
You're not playing freaking football, dude.

00:20:10
So

00:20:10
my dad, like, put the scare tag that got me.

00:20:12
He's like, dude, you're pretty good at basketball.

00:20:14
If you play football, you're you're gonna have to give up your basketball season.

00:20:17
I was like, like, why?

00:20:19
He's like, you're you're guaranteed to get injured.

00:20:22
And so I'm like, really?

00:20:23
Interesting.

00:20:24
And I was like, that's an interesting outlook.

00:20:26
And but the reality was, dude, he was, like, nearly a 100% right almost all the time because

00:20:32
there was a guy.

00:20:33
I remember him, and we called him from.

00:20:36
And this dude, was a he was a pretty good basketball player.

00:20:42
And he he was a good receiver too.

00:20:44
He busted a senior year, man, torn ACL.

00:20:47
Yeah.

00:20:47
There was another kid that could shoot, Kent Fia.

00:20:51
He he definitely yeah.

00:20:52
I don't think he I don't think he I think he made it through half the season, but I think he

00:20:56
had a shoulder injury or something like that.

00:20:58
So all these guys, these players that, like, played football, eventually, you know, they

00:21:03
came in with an injury during basketball season because, obviously, you're in, I think it fall

00:21:08
in Michigan.

00:21:09
I don't know if it's different.

00:21:10
Yeah.

00:21:10
No.

00:21:10
No.

00:21:10
No.

00:21:11
It's all the same.

00:21:11
Like, in the fall is football season.

00:21:14
Yeah.

00:21:14
So you're coming in out of the summertime.

00:21:16
You're coming in.

00:21:17
Right.

00:21:17
And then basketball season comes in the winter.

00:21:19
Yeah.

00:21:20
And, Yep.

00:21:21
That, like, it it just so anyways, my dad, my dad, I was like, I would, like, always try out,

00:21:28
and I'd be like, man, I'm I gonna get hurt.

00:21:30
And I was actually a pretty good football player.

00:21:32
Yeah.

00:21:33
But I I never played.

00:21:35
So then that comes back down to, like, talking about football a little bit.

00:21:39
Of the longevity of the sport.

00:21:42
I know it's like, honestly, it it's not as popular as it was.

00:21:46
It's becoming depopular in terms of I I think that's more Colin Kaepernick and there's other

00:21:52
associations that becoming a wise becoming unpopular.

00:21:55
Yeah.

00:21:56
But I think personally it's becoming a little bit more unpopular is because less kids are

00:22:02
playing it because they're seeing the long term effects of, like, what it does to your brand.

00:22:06
I know there's a guy from a linebacker from Wisconsin ended up playing for the San

00:22:11
Francisco 40 niners.

00:22:12
I forget his name, but he's like, dude, screw the He got in the league.

00:22:16
Yeah.

00:22:16
Was tearing up the league.

00:22:18
Yeah.

00:22:18
Like had was well, who is

00:22:20
the receiver for the lions, bro?

00:22:22
Megatron that was his nickname?

00:22:23
Kamatrons.

00:22:24
He had Kamatrons.

00:22:25
It was

00:22:25
hide of his career quit because he was like, I wanna live a life.

00:22:28
I wanna live.

00:22:29
Yeah.

00:22:29
Because I kinda wanna be crippled later.

00:22:32
Yeah.

00:22:32
That's that takes, like, some, you know, I mean, you Some stones to do, bro, like, giving

00:22:37
up 1 of dollars.

00:22:38
Same thing.

00:22:38
Very simple.

00:22:39
It's like maybe maybe tough, Super Bowls, that kind of stuff.

00:22:41
Yeah.

00:22:42
Bary Sanders is the same thing.

00:22:43
They're like, what?

00:22:43
You're gonna cut your career short, but for the sake of entertainment, he's like, bro, you

00:22:47
gotta understand where I'm coming from.

00:22:49
Yeah.

00:22:49
And you were talking about specifically running backs dude, running backs, you're going full

00:22:53
speed.

00:22:54
Your goal is to get tackled.

00:22:55
Like, I had £250 dude or 3.

00:22:56
Like, or yeah.

00:22:58
Like, It's either you agree, Bill, pass them or you get tackled every play.

00:23:04
Every play.

00:23:04
Every play.

00:23:05
And go head first.

00:23:06
Right.

00:23:07
Yeah.

00:23:07
Literally.

00:23:08
Just go ahead first and ignore

00:23:09
happens if I get smashed it.

00:23:11
Just wild stuff.

00:23:13
Like, in so if you really think about the game of football and then specifically what that

00:23:16
does on Yeah.

00:23:18
A man's body over the course of there's there was a dude that I played basketball with.

00:23:24
He was I'm telling you his name is Kevin Kilgo, He was a really good basketball player.

00:23:31
Like, the dude had footwork for being 65 and, like, probably 2 75, £300.

00:23:36
He might have been over £300, but, like, he was good, like, really, really good.

00:23:41
The dude, went to, Talito and blew I think he blew out both of his knees.

00:23:47
He told me I saw him, like, couple years ago.

00:23:50
He told me that he's gonna have to have replacement by the time he's 40.

00:23:53
I'm like, yeah.

00:23:55
That's up.

00:23:55
He didn't even make it the league.

00:23:57
He didn't get any NIL money.

00:23:59
He didn't get any, like, there's no money.

00:24:02
And there's, like, there's no money for the offensive line.

00:24:05
I mean, it's an offensive lineman or so.

00:24:07
He's not getting money.

00:24:08
Like, unless he makes it a league, He's not making money.

00:24:11
So now he's gotta get a knee replacement at 4.

00:24:13
I'm like, what?

00:24:14
That sucks.

00:24:14
And it's so rare, like, like, you know, how many kids play football then how many kids from

00:24:19
that percentage become college players?

00:24:21
Not a lot.

00:24:21
It's a very Not

00:24:22
a lot.

00:24:22
Yeah.

00:24:22
And then go into the NFL.

00:24:23
It's like a it's a

00:24:25
very small I

00:24:26
think a fraction of a percent.

00:24:27
Right?

00:24:27
Yeah.

00:24:28
And so then to end with an injury, it's like, dude, that's gotta be very

00:24:32
as we're talking about this more and more as governor, my my buddy Ryan, he was a pretty

00:24:37
good linebacker in high school.

00:24:38
I think he was, like, an all state linebacker.

00:24:41
The dude is, he's super unhealthy.

00:24:44
Ryan, if you're watching this dude, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna let you know.

00:24:47
I'm gonna call you out.

00:24:47
He was just sloppy now.

00:24:49
But one of the reason it turned out.

00:24:51
Just Yeah.

00:24:52
Lost and ride.

00:24:53
Bro, I don't know you, Ryan,

00:24:54
but dude, Ryan, though,

00:24:56
he is

00:24:57
he's probably I if I had to guess, honestly, bro, you're probably, what, a buck, a £150

00:25:03
overweight, I would say.

00:25:04
Like, the first frame he's probably £150 overweight.

00:25:07
But this dude has such bad ankles,

00:25:09
bro.

00:25:09
Became a

00:25:10
roast.

00:25:10
This dude this dude has such bad, like, ankles, knees, hips, shoulders from high school

00:25:19
football.

00:25:20
Didn't play a down of a college football.

00:25:23
Yeah.

00:25:23
And his body is just wrecked.

00:25:25
I think he actually didn't go, at Lake House football because his body was so wrecked in

00:25:30
high school.

00:25:31
Yeah.

00:25:31
Yeah.

00:25:32
Insane, bro.

00:25:33
Like, I mean, there's kid after kid after kid.

00:25:36
So granted, I mean, football is a cool sport, but it's pure entertainment.

00:25:41
Yeah.

00:25:42
It is.

00:25:42
And, like, again, man, it's like, you go into it.

00:25:44
You should know the the the possible outcomes.

00:25:46
Yeah.

00:25:47
Right?

00:25:47
Like, hey, you could go and play any that long career in the NFL.

00:25:50
No injuries.

00:25:52
Very lucky.

00:25:53
There's there's no unlikely, but the dude's getting dinged up pretty hard.

00:25:57
And and even if it's, you know, I was thinking like basketball compared to football,

00:26:00
basketball is different injuries.

00:26:01
Yeah.

00:26:01
You don't see as many of those big, like, ACL blown out and whatever, like, hip, you know,

00:26:07
fractures and stuff like that.

00:26:08
It's more like, oh, he sprained his ankle.

00:26:09
He's out for a few weeks.

00:26:10
Or like, oh, he, like, sprained his knee.

00:26:12
It's a

00:26:13
little, like, yeah.

00:26:15
That was weird.

00:26:16
Yeah.

00:26:16
Yeah.

00:26:17
For listening, I was playing about ball.

00:26:19
I can't.

00:26:19
Aggressive guys at lifetime.

00:26:21
Yeah.

00:26:21
No.

00:26:21
It's just it was out out, at Julian Lane Park, bro, outside.

00:26:25
Yeah.

00:26:25
2 PM.

00:26:25
There's, like, a 105 degrees out there like, I'm tired and me and this dude just, like,

00:26:29
collided.

00:26:30
And, like, he was a £100 heavier than me for sure.

00:26:33
The way

00:26:33
he caught my rib dude, it just, like, Like, you

00:26:36
know, like, that feeling,

00:26:37
you know, took a breath out of you.

00:26:38
And then, like, a week later, I'm like, this shit, it's not healing.

00:26:41
This feels weird.

00:26:42
Took an x-ray on myself in the office.

00:26:43
And I was like, I broke my ribs, dude.

00:26:45
That's sweet.

00:26:47
And then we went and played golf the next day.

00:26:48
And that was when I was like, yeah.

00:26:50
I should

00:26:50
take Yeah.

00:26:50
You just take a break of this.

00:26:52
But it's it's better now, man.

00:26:53
I'm good.

00:26:54
But those are the injuries that happen.

00:26:56
You know?

00:26:56
Right.

00:26:57
If you're gonna be inactive If I'm gonna go Like, you're an active dad.

00:26:59
Right?

00:27:00
Like, so you like you like playing basketball.

00:27:03
You like playing golf.

00:27:06
Those injuries will come along the way, but, like, then how do you mitigate those?

00:27:06
So

00:27:09
Yeah.

00:27:10
We I think we both agree injuries are unavoidable, especially if you're what I

00:27:15
consider, like, the working athlete.

00:27:17
Right?

00:27:17
Yeah.

00:27:18
Where, dude, I like playing.

00:27:19
We can wear your kinda Exactly.

00:27:22
But then how do they they become unavoidable?

00:27:24
Or the how do they how do you mitigate Right.

00:27:26
So and then be able to rebound a little bit more quickly as you age.

00:27:31
And that's where that's where, like, you've really played a big role in terms of, okay.

00:27:35
Well, what am I doing before and after, right, am I proactively stretching?

00:27:41
Am I, like, that's something that I do every time.

00:27:43
Like, before I go out and golf, Like, literally, I'm doing dynamic stretches.

00:27:47
Right?

00:27:48
Like, as if I'm going into a cross foot workout, I'm doing stretches like that for

00:27:51
golf.

00:27:52
Right?

00:27:52
Just letting my body limber up.

00:27:54
Getting to heat up, heat heat up my central nervous system.

00:27:57
That's really a big thing.

00:27:58
Yeah.

00:27:58
Of incorporating your central nervous system, letting it heat up a little bit.

00:28:02
And then what are you doing after, too, post?

00:28:04
Yeah.

00:28:05
If you have a little bit of static stretches in there, but I think good dynamic stretches, even

00:28:09
after Right.

00:28:11
Allow the body to to, to, I guess, come out of maybe an athletic endeavor, that you might be

00:28:17
in.

00:28:17
Yeah.

00:28:17
Because I would call CrossFit kind of an athletic endeavor, but I would also call, like,

00:28:24
basketball.

00:28:24
You still need to stretch because there's certain things that you're gonna be moving

00:28:27
around.

00:28:28
That, require good stretching.

00:28:30
Yeah.

00:28:30
But then getting adjusted.

00:28:32
Like, dude, I get adjusted, like, once or twice a week.

00:28:35
Right?

00:28:35
Yeah.

00:28:35
Yeah.

00:28:35
And then

00:28:36
Your spine.

00:28:36
Being able to move is so important.

00:28:37
You're joint.

00:28:38
Right?

00:28:38
It's like, then your muscle.

00:28:40
Because if not, if your if your spine is rigid, bro, and your muscle's trying to overwork for

00:28:44
that, that's gonna cause an injury.

00:28:45
That's gonna be more like those annoying, like, long term just nagging.

00:28:49
This muscle always hurts to cut injuries.

00:28:51
Right?

00:28:51
Because your body can't move

00:28:52
get this.

00:28:53
So this guy, this is what he does to me.

00:28:55
He freaking cracks my ears, number 1.

00:28:58
So he, like, does this weird ear crack to me?

00:29:00
And then he, then he cracks my head, and it is unbelievable.

00:29:04
If you watch me on Instagram, I'll post every once in a while out of him.

00:29:07
He does this crack in the neck.

00:29:09
I swear to you, like, I would wake up all the time with these, like, weird, like, little just

00:29:16
little tweaks in my neck, and I'm like, oh, man.

00:29:18
Slope it.

00:29:19
Not once, have I woke up with something like that?

00:29:21
Nice.

00:29:21
Because I have I just get quality neck turns on a weekly basis, bro.

00:29:25
That's good.

00:29:27
Let's see functional health

00:29:28
for you.

00:29:28
Little drop.

00:29:29
Little plug.

00:29:29
Thanks, man.

00:29:31
Well, I think, you know, I think kind of, in summary of everything we talked about, bro, I

00:29:35
was like, we're not talking to professional football players We're not Yeah.

00:29:38
As much.

00:29:38
Right?

00:29:38
Maybe there's some that are gonna listen to this, that'd be cool.

00:29:40
But, you know, the the the average person like us who's trying to maybe push their limits a

00:29:45
bit.

00:29:46
Right?

00:29:46
Yeah.

00:29:46
Has a family maybe is is 30 plus is looking to be successful in career, but also wants to stay

00:29:52
fit and healthy.

00:29:53
Uh-huh.

00:29:55
Check your ego.

00:29:55
Do the basics.

00:29:57
Right?

00:29:57
Don't be don't be too good for warm up.

00:30:00
Right?

00:30:01
Like, I I I was guilty of that all the time.

00:30:03
I'm just gonna go in here and freaking hit some weights.

00:30:17
Like, do some some actual fund functional movement, getting every range of of motion in

00:30:22
the hips and the shoulders going before you train that pillar that we talked about from the

00:30:27
Nasim is so good to to focus on, bro.

00:30:29
You incorporate every level of that into a workout.

00:30:32
Like, you're gonna have a great workout.

00:30:34
So you're doing some stabilization training.

00:30:36
You're doing that that more like endurance, getting the muscles warmed up, and then you're

00:30:39
gonna push the strength.

00:30:40
And I think that's a I think that's a fantastic way to train mostly.

00:30:43
Yeah.

00:30:44
Yeah.

00:30:45
I love it, man.

00:30:45
I I also do cold water therapy.

00:30:47
I freaking love it.

00:30:48
And then recovery.

00:30:48
That's

00:30:49
food recovery.

00:30:49
How do you mitigate injury?

00:30:50
Make sure you recover

00:30:51
Yeah.

00:30:52
Oh, I just lifted 3 days in a row.

00:30:53
My body feels sore and tight.

00:30:55
Let me go play basketball.

00:30:56
Probably not a good idea.

00:30:58
Yeah.

00:30:58
All the time.

00:30:58
I'm like, man, like, I'm just gonna go play ball today because I got a lift, but my whole

00:31:02
body hurts.

00:31:03
Yeah.

00:31:03
That was probably due too much volume.

00:31:04
It's just having like a smart training regimen.

00:31:07
It's gonna how you it's how you prevent Yeah.

00:31:10
That's one thing that really has when when I got into more functional health and really

00:31:15
understanding.

00:31:16
I had a direct association with my body.

00:31:19
So, like, over the I haven't worked out, because, like, I tweaked my back.

00:31:23
I was like, I wanna focus on this.

00:31:25
Right, for the next few days.

00:31:27
Yeah.

00:31:28
Because it's not good.

00:31:29
I gotta listen to my body, whereas, like, exactly what you're talking about.

00:31:33
Know, it doesn't hurt that bad.

00:31:34
Yeah.

00:31:34
Maybe I'll go, lift, and then I'll play a little basketball game.

00:31:38
If I miss

00:31:38
2 days.

00:31:39
Right?

00:31:39
So I'm gonna work through this injury.

00:31:41
Probably make it worse and then have to take them off.

00:31:43
It's like, yeah.

00:31:44
It makes no sense.

00:31:45
Yeah.

00:31:45
So that, you know, that's when you're ahead and your body and start aligning.

00:31:50
That's a dude, man.

00:31:51
You it becomes a superpower.

00:31:53
That's awesome.

00:31:53
All good.

00:31:54
That's cool.

00:31:54
Awesome, man.

00:31:56
Cool, man.

00:31:57
So, dude, I think that was a powerhouse.

00:32:00
Yeah.

00:32:00
That's cool.

00:32:01
I'm gonna hit it new.

00:32:02
You know?

00:32:02
I'm just all working up.

00:32:03
I'm gonna hit it new.

00:32:04
I want to.

00:32:05
Freaking.

00:32:05
Alright.

00:32:06
Cheers.

00:32:06
New it

00:32:06
up, baby.

00:32:07
I got here banana.

00:32:08
I see.

00:32:09
Let's go.

00:32:10
Love fulfilled.

00:32:10
Live fulfilled.

00:32:11
Alright.

00:32:11
Lib beyond limits.

00:32:18
They've got limits.

00:32:19
Is that what it was?

00:32:21
I think it's fuel fault.

00:32:28
Do you know, beautiful?

00:32:30
Oh, man.

00:32:32
That's hilarious.

00:32:35
We're done.

00:32:35
I guess.