The Good Wolf: Jerry Scarlatto on Mental Resilience and Fitness Mastery
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The Good Wolf: Jerry Scarlatto on Mental Resilience and Fitness Mastery

The episode begins with an introduction and an overview of resilience, followed by a warm welcome to guest Jerry Scarlatto and an exploration of the Good Wolf concept. The discussion covers the evolution of Thryvology and delves into the Cherokee parable. Jerry shares his journey with mental resilience and the idea of the forever athlete. The conversation transitions to fitness goals, linking training with mindset, and strategies for achieving positive muscle failure. Full-body circuit training and gym efficiency are discussed, along with challenging gym routine norms and the box checker mentality. The episode also covers the Good Wolf Academy, questioning societal norms, time management, productivity, and personal development. (0:00) Introduction and overview of resilience (1:20) Introducing Jerry Scarlatto and the Good Wolf concept (4:32) Evolution of Thryvology and the Cherokee parable (7:07) Jerry's journey with mental resilience and the forever athlete (12:22) Fitness goals and the link between training and mindset (15:46) Strategies for achieving positive muscle failure (24:38) Full-body circuit training and gym efficiency (29:23) Challenging gym routine norms and the box checker mentality (33:01) Good Wolf Academy and questioning societal norms (36:10) Time management, productivity, and personal development (43:27) Defining a full fueled life and closing thoughts (44:36) Guest contact information and show notes (45:22) Preview of the next episode topics

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You build physical resilience, and you'll build mental resilience, but the problem is, like,

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you just mentioned, that so many people just get in the routine of being in the routine.

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They go to the gym.

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They do the same five things, and they leave.

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They get on the treadmill.

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They go through 3 machines.

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They go do some abs, and they walk out.

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And that's about all they do.

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Right?

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And you don't build any level of physical or mental resilience by doing that.

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So the mental resilience is built in the gym literally set to set in rep to rep if you push

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yourself effectively.

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Welcome to the full field podcast.

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With your host Matt Tak.

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you?

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Doctor Alfred Lessi.

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Doctor Alfred Lessi.

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that is needs to be pulled up.

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Welcome to the Full Field Podcast.

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We got episode number 3 of season 2.

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And, we're super yeah.

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That's what it is.

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What's up, man?

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What's up?

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How you doing?

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Good, man.

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Your host Matt Tack.

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Doctor Alfred Lessi.

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And we got,

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Jerry Scarlado, on the on the call that they, from the Good Wolf podcast.

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Jerry focuses on self improvement and personal development.

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His podcast explores a range of topics including mindset, fitness, nutrition, overall

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well-being.

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Scarado Infini emphasizes the importance of nurturing the good wolf within

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each person.

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Concept derived from the famous native parable about 2

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wolves that represent opposing forces within us.

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Welcome to the podcast, Jerry.

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Thanks, Dallas.

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Appreciate you guys.

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I, I appreciate that intro, man.

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That was well done.

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But, yeah, man.

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Great to have.

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Great to be on.

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Matt, you and I got a chance to talk on, on my show just the other day.

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So, you know, hopefully, you guys, your audience will be able to jump over and and

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listen to that as well because we had a great conversation.

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But, yeah, looking forward to seeing what we can make happen today.

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Yeah, man.

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Tell us a little bit about the the good wolf.

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We were talking about it before, the podcast, but how that derived, how that, you know,

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speaks to you and how you came up with the concept.

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So it was an accident to begin with.

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I'll go back to the beginning of the story and, let it play out.

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So, I had a fitness studio for 10 years.

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And when I first started it, we, you know, we just kinda got it started.

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It was called dry fitness.

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I had about 25 members.

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And one day, one of my members was like, he was joking around, and he was like, oh, yeah, the

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pack.

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We're part of the pack, and we get to, you know, we we enjoy each other.

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We come in here.

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We work out hard.

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And I'm like, oh, what'd you just say?

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He's like, oh, the pack.

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I was like, oh, I kinda like that.

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So we got this sign made, and we put it up on the wall, and it said run with the pack, and we

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we we officially got a woof as our mascot.

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So it's slowly, like, built into this thing and then suddenly, we had wolves all over the

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place.

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And and last year, when I went to start the podcast, I thought about what would be a good

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name for the podcast, and I heard the parable before which I can set which I can I can run

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through the parable, but I'd heard the parable before?

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And I'm like, you know, that's what we do here because Thryvology, which ended up being the

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name of the studio.

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I think I changed the name, like, five times, but that's another story for another day.

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We ended up calling it Thryvology because we moved locations, and I wanted to trademark the

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name and Thryfitness was already trademarked.

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So we changed the name to Thryvology.

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And if you asked any of our members what we did, it wasn't just like, hey.

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We worked out here.

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It wasn't just, hey.

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We we came here and trained.

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Most of them would tell you that we tried to promote a full holistic lifestyle.

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We tried to promote the best version of yourself, and we did that in many different

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ways.

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We offered nutrition coaching, Of course, we had training there, but then we would also do

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community events.

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We would also do workshops that promoted personal growth.

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We would also do goal setting workshops.

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And at the 1st the year, we would do different workshops and so forth.

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So they would all tell you that we promoted more than that.

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So I'm like, oh, good wolf sounds great.

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Good wolf something.

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So whenever I first started it, it was good wolf radio.

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And then last year, I closed the business down.

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And as I closed it down, I knew I wanted to take this brand and move it forward, but radio

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kinda sounded very general, so I wanted to make it more deliberate.

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So then I changed radio to project because we are all an ongoing project.

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We are all constantly trying to build the best version of ourselves.

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So for those of you who don't know the parable sorry.

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I'm, like, completely taking up this podcast right now, but those

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of you who

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don't know the parable, the parable is an old Cherokee legend a Cherokee chief and his

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grandson are sitting around a fire.

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And they're sitting there chatting, and the Cherokee chief is telling his son, hey.

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We all have 2 wolves inside of us.

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A bad wolf that's full of hate and greed and envy and a good wolf that's filled filled with

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joy and happiness and love and care.

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And they chat back and forth a little longer, and the grandson looks at the chief.

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And he goes, Well, Grant, Paul, if we both have 2 if we all have 2 good wolves inside of us,

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which one wins, and their chief says the one you feed.

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So that's where the name, the good wolf comes from.

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It's just the idea that you're constantly feeding your best version of yourself.

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You're constantly having to work on yourself.

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As we all know, when we let that slip, when we kinda let our ideal of our best self go to the

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wayside, it we very easily slip backwards.

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So it's just a constant progression.

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Yeah.

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And and that's exactly the whole, like, the one you feed thing, right, is, like, we have we all

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have these things inside of us, and you can choose to focus on the good stuff.

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You can choose to focus on the negative, and those things will grow the more you focus on

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them.

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We're just talking about that this morning with, with, you know, having a negative mindset

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or negative attitude.

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As soon as you shift into gratitude, you can't focus on both at the same time.

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It's impossible.

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So when you're focusing on gratitude, you're literally starving that negativity and that,

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you know, that hate or whatever it might be.

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You're starving that out because you're feeding the other one.

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So I I love that parable, man.

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I've definitely, thought about that

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a lot, and that's something that, you know, I mean, We we basically put into practice daily

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feeding the good wolf.

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No doubt.

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And Matt and I talked about this during our episode how Matt went through his own

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transition in his twenties going from a negative mind set to a positive mindset and

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starting to make that shift, as he was growing himself.

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And I told my own story and kinda doing the same thing.

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Mine was a mine was a little more dramatic, if you will, or a little more instant.

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His was a little more progressive.

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But, you know, I went through a depressive state in my early twenties as well because I

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played college football and, you know, being an athlete all the way up through my early

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twenties.

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Once football was over, athletics was done, and I felt like a part of me was done.

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Right?

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I felt like my identity had kinda shifted, and it didn't really know at the time where that

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was shifting.

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And I didn't have the mental resilience to kinda start to work through things.

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So I went into this punk.

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I went into this depression.

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I started to put on weight At the time I told myself it was deliberate, which it kinda was

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because I've been in the weight room, and I've always enjoyed lifting heavy.

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And at the time, I was trying to put on some size, but, turns out I put on a little more

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than I intended to.

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So There was one day where I got on the scale, and this is after maybe 9 months of just, like,

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secluding myself from people, having a tear like, my mindset was not in a good place.

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I knew that I was not mentally, strong.

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So I get on the scale, and I probably hadn't been on the scale in 9 months because I was

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just like, hey.

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I'm putting on weight.

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Why do I need to weigh myself?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Jumped on the scale, and I'm like, 2:40.

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And I'm like, oh, I remember sitting next to somebody, one of our members.

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And I went and I sat back down, and she looked at me.

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She goes, well, how was it?

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I was like, not good.

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Not good.

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And it was like, that incident, I was like, damn, I gotta change something.

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So I I totally understand you know, Matt and I kinda have that connection where, you know, you

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go through those ebbs and flows of life and and, hopefully, you become more resilient.

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You know, we all have those times where we're getting knocked down, but I think the goal is

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to make your lows higher and your highs higher, you know, you're always gonna have those lows,

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but you kinda wanna notch yourself up a little higher every time you get knocked down, if you

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will.

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So it's it is a constant, a constant work in progress, for sure.

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Yeah.

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Talk talk about that a little bit more because I think that's such a good concept and

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something that really that I've catered to a little bit more about this concept to be called

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the forever athlete, right, is that we never truly lose that.

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Right?

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But there's this there's this shift when you, like, you're no longer competing or performing

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in, like, in an athletic endeavor where you're, like, out it to win.

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But, like, there's this concept that I have that, you know, I'm not I'm not choosing.

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I'm not gonna call myself a former athlete.

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I'm a forever athlete.

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And home competing every day.

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What are some of the things that you do?

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I know that you're in phenomenal shape now since that moment.

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But what are some of the daily disciplines that you do as a forever athlete today that keep you

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at peak performance?

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Yeah.

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And I love that concept also.

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You know, I believe that every human being is meant to, meant to run and jump and and lift

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weights and be strong and have lean mass and and be lean.

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I I believe that all human beings are meant to and have the capability to do that.

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Now, of course, we're convinced through society that that's not the case.

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So we have to work against that, which is super challenging for sure.

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But, you know, I believe it comes down to deciding what, you have to know what season

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you're in, what season of kind of your life that you're in.

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And you gotta go, you know, what does it what does success look like for me in my training

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for this season.

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And the season can be for the next couple of years.

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It can be for the next 3 months.

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And that parts up to you.

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Now, of course, I have regular weight training that I do 5 days a week, and then I also make

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sure that I do regular ply metrics 2 or 3 days a week.

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And then I have walking that I do every single day because I have standards that I meet for

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myself.

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Those are just a couple of the basic standards, but then, of course, I have things that I'm

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training for also.

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So for instance, I just did a tough mudder 2 weeks ago.

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Two and a half weeks ago.

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So there was a 10 to 12 week period of time where I was training for that.

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I don't have the next thing set, which I need to get set.

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Otherwise, I'll start to lose my focus, but whatever the next thing is, I'll plan something

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12 to 15 weeks down the road, and then I'll start training for that.

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So I think having also that thing and it can be a tough mudder.

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It can be a marathon.

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It can be your own made up, you know, if you have, like, a day where you're like, hey.

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This day, I'm gonna test my bench button and deadlift.

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So you can have your own thing that you kinda train for, or you can get some buddies together

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and you're like, hey.

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I wanna I wanna go out and I wanna do something on a certain day, and I want us to be able to

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train for that thing.

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I think that's important as well.

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So you have this combination of your own standards that you do every day.

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Like I said, minor training 5 days a week in the weight room.

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I walk every day whether that's hiking or just a regular walk at least two miles.

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And then I do agility work at least 2 or 3 days a week as well.

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And then on the other end of that, to keep things fresh, if you will, is having something

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to train for.

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Because, of course, we're human beings.

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We get bored with things.

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Right?

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So you gotta keep things fresh by having that that thing out there that you're like, oh,

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that's what I gotta get ready for.

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Yeah.

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I love that.

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I think most guys that we do, like, take through our coaching programs.

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The guys that we talked to in general is just like, yeah, just go to the gym and, like, I do

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my thing.

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And it's like, you lose focus because you've done the same thing for so long.

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I used to do that.

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Right?

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Like, I was like more like body building type of exercise, and it just got so boring to me.

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I was like, I need to do something different.

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And so then I went through, like, a few months of, like, hit training.

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And then the last few months, I've been training more athletic again, and I got back

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into playing lacrosse.

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And so it's like having, like, keeping that, like, periodization almost, right, every couple

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months, change it up, do something different, set new goals.

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And I I think most people just don't set goals, honestly.

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I don't think they have something to to aim for, like, a finish line.

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You know?

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That kinda, like, phases into, like, the question I wanted to ask you.

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Obviously, your your podcast and and our podcast has a lot of mindset and and focusing

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on that, but it ties into the physical side as well.

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So, you know, what is, what is the relationship between the physical and the mindset that, you

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know, is so important and why and why is that so important?

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Having worked with thousands of people over the course of owning, that training studio.

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I was also a strength conditioning coach for a for a high school in the area for 2 or 3 years.

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And throughout that up throughout that time, I was also strength commission coach for

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individual sports as well.

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Couple swim teams, couple basketball teams, couple soccer teams.

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So having trains, you know, anywhere from, like, an eight year old, Kiwi, get athlete to,

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like, an a ninety year old.

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I think our oldest member at the gym was maybe I'll say 85 and everywhere in between.

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Mindset is the most important thing.

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And that's what health and fitness misses.

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If you look at why most people quit, it is not because the exercise didn't work.

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It's not because the diet didn't work.

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It's because they didn't have the mental resilience to keep going.

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It's because you didn't start to change who you think you are and what you think you're capable

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of.

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And until you start to make that shift at the same time, then it's gonna be challenging for

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you to overcome those barriers when they show up.

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Once you actually stop losing weight, once progress stops happening, once things slow down

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or when things get hard and your schedule changes, if you don't believe that you're the

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kind of person that exercises and maintains your health, and has a level of resilience,

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then you're just gonna quit.

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That is just gonna go by the waste side.

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So that mindset part is is equally as important if not more important because it plays out in

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so many different ways.

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Now I believe that physical training is the best way to build your mindset because if you

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do it correctly, then you will do both.

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You'll build physical resilience and you'll build mental resilience, but the problem is,

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like, you just mentioned, that's so many people just get in the routine of being in the

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routine.

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Go to the gym.

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They do the same five things, and they leave.

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They get on the treadmill.

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They go through 3 machines.

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They go do some abs, and they walk out.

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And that's about all they do.

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Right?

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And you don't build any level of physical or mental resilience by doing that.

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So the mental resilience is built in the gym, literally set to set in rep to rep if you push

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yourself effectively.

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So you you just if you understand that who you are today can't achieve the goals that you

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wanna achieve tomorrow, then you can understand why that mindset development is so important

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and why pushing yourself within every session at some form, at some level is so important as

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well because it allows you to do both.

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Being physically strong and mentally strong.

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And it's it's that concept of positive muscle failure that most people will never even get

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to.

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Right?

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They don't push themselves hard enough.

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We, you know, Corvendor was on our show.

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We talked to Tim a lot about it, and it's like, like, man, I'll be training someone, and

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they'll be at, like, 12 reps.

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And they're like, oh, and they're about to drop the weights.

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And he's like, no.

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2 more.

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They do 2 more.

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He's like, no.

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2 more.

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They do 2 more.

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Then they've done, like, 6 more.

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He's like, you were about to drop the weights when you had 6 more in you.

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You know, you're the we tap out

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mentally long before we tap out physically.

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And so we're never really, like, hitting that threshold that is required for that growth

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if, you know, if we're talking building muscle and hypertrophy.

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And so, you know, that's something that I've

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really, really been

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focused on lately.

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And, you know, so it it does look like obviously volume wise, like, maybe doing less

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sets, but making sure each set is done to that month, that positive failure where I'm, like,

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I'm stimulating growth and change.

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So

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Even

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Yeah.

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I would say even more so about that.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna give myself a

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little kudos right now too.

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So the the one thing you said in that was, like, there was another

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guy there with you

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you know, that pushed you into that 6 6th rep.

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And

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so this guy started playing lacrosse.

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Right?

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And a couple weeks ago, Freaking just bottomed

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out his hamstring, like ripped up his hamstring.

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And so What does this guy do?

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Forget everything he's ever been taught.

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Like, forgot everything he's ever been taught.

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Right?

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And everything he's like is everybody else too.

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He teaches everybody else.

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So I'm like, dude, let's come up with a game plan.

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And so I just told him I was like, It's the same way.

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Like, this is the kind of the concept of the forever athlete is that, you know, injuries

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will come along.

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You know, you stop losing weight.

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This will come along.

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Like, the you're building, like, strength and all this stuff.

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You you will stagnate at some point.

00:17:35
You gotta you gotta figure things out.

00:17:38
And so and I'm sure I would be the same way if I get injured.

00:17:41
I'm not injured right now, but this guy forgets everything.

00:17:43
And I'm like, alright.

00:17:44
Let's come over the game's plan.

00:17:45
He gets in the cold plunge.

00:17:46
We order some BPC 157 for him.

00:17:49
We're like, he's he's getting his, soft wave therapy and he was consistent with the process

00:17:55
where a 6 week injury turned into really about a, like, two and a half week where he's getting

00:18:00
in repetitions now again in the gym.

00:18:02
And so I, you know, I do.

00:18:04
I give kudos to myself.

00:18:06
Yeah.

00:18:06
And what it was, I, you know, looking back on it, what it was was pure frustration that just

00:18:11
clouded, like, if we're talking mindset, it clouded everything I knew.

00:18:14
It was like, I couldn't see anything, but about how pissed I was that I just pulled my

00:18:17
hamstring I've been training for the last 2 months to get back into playing

00:18:21
the cross 2 games into

00:18:22
the season, I freaking pulled my hamstring.

00:18:24
I was just so annoyed that I ate.

00:18:26
Yeah.

00:18:26
You're right.

00:18:26
It was just like everything was, like, pushed away.

00:18:29
And so having, you know, having the accountability was awesome.

00:18:31
Like, that's, you know, why we need that that, that that group and those figures around us,

00:18:36
for sure.

00:18:37
A 100%.

00:18:38
You know, I I've there's a saying that a doctor is his own worst patient, and I've seen that

00:18:39
through myself as well.

00:18:39
You know, again, training people I can I tell them, make sure that you progress correctly?

00:18:49
Make sure you don't go up too quickly.

00:18:51
Well, 18 months ago, I decided that I wanna start lifting heavy again.

00:18:55
And, of course, my mind, any and this is a person who literally tells people every single

00:19:00
day of their life.

00:19:02
You're not who you used to be.

00:19:03
You can't go back and immediately jump into the weights that you used to do.

00:19:07
Not that I immediately tried to do those weights because I know how where that bar is,

00:19:12
but let's just say that I moved a little faster than I needed to, and my body got real pissed

00:19:17
real quick.

00:19:18
So I totally can I totally get it?

00:19:20
And as I started to get a chronic overuse engine injuries instead of acute injuries,

00:19:25
which can almost be more debilitating than, you know, those acute injuries could be.

00:19:31
So, again, I get it.

00:19:32
Anybody listening to this?

00:19:34
Like, again, you're listening to humans, be humans.

00:19:36
We are people who literally tell people every day.

00:19:39
Hey.

00:19:39
This is what you need to do.

00:19:40
You need to be smart about things.

00:19:42
You need to be.

00:19:43
And yet, I'm an idiot and I go and do complete opposite of what I tell people to do.

00:19:47
So luckily, I figured that out a little more over the last 6 to 9 months, and I'm I'm

00:19:52
progressing more effectively, but I had to take a step back to take five steps forward.

00:19:57
And and that's human nature.

00:20:00
So to go back to your point, though, of the progression, which this is this is super

00:20:05
important because this is where so many people give up because they don't make progress

00:20:09
because they don't push themselves.

00:20:11
So there's this idea and weight lifting called rate of perceived exertion or rate of perceived

00:20:17
effort, whatever you wanna call it, is generally a scale of 0 to 10, 0 being, it's

00:20:23
super easy, 10 being, it's super hard, and I couldn't do one more rep.

00:20:27
So what most people do And, again, this is through having trained thousands of people and

00:20:32
watching many people, you know, stop whenever they can do more.

00:20:37
Most people get to about a 7, and they stop.

00:20:41
And they don't go past that 7 ever.

00:20:43
They stop at that 7.

00:20:44
So, for instance, if you're doing squats with, like, a £25 k Gobble squats with a £25,

00:20:50
kettlebell, and you do 10 squats and your RPE, meaning how hard it is for you is a 7 once you

00:20:57
get to 10, If you always stop at 10, it will always be a 7.

00:21:02
It will always be the same.

00:21:03
If you never go to that 11th rep, then that 10 will always fill the same.

00:21:10
So the goal is to push to the 11th 12th rep so that that 10 then becomes a 6 or a 5.

00:21:18
It literally starts to feel easier, but most people in their mind tell themselves that that

00:21:23
10 was hard enough, that that 10 was challenging enough.

00:21:27
So literally finding the mental fortitude to push for 2 more reps.

00:21:32
And the and the example you gave 6 more reps, which I believe that most people can get at

00:21:36
least 6 more reps of almost anything that they're attempting, unless your power lifter,

00:21:40
of course, but any average human being get at least 6 more reps of what they're attempting.

00:21:45
And if you just push yourself to 2 or 3 more, then your previous weight that you're using

00:21:52
will be easier, and you will be you will have become more physically and mentally resilient

00:21:56
at the same time.

00:21:58
Do what do you

00:21:58
think about this?

00:21:59
And this is something that I do sometimes is I just don't count.

00:22:02
Like, I tried my hardest to, like, not even count.

00:22:03
Like, I know, realistically, how many reps I can get with a certain amount of weight and,

00:22:08
you know, if it feels light, I'll I'll I'll increase the weight or I'll slow down, right,

00:22:12
on the eccentric.

00:22:13
But sometimes I'm like, just stop counting and go till it it you freaking can't, like, go till

00:22:18
it kinda start to see, you know, so so your form goes or whatever.

00:22:21
Right?

00:22:21
And I almost feel like that sometimes is if I were to be counting, I'd be further along than

00:22:26
than what I probably would have tapped at.

00:22:28
Right?

00:22:29
A 100% for sure because you set that expectation in your mind.

00:22:33
When you set the expectation and I see this with myself and with people, regularly, you set

00:22:38
the expectation, okay, I'm gonna get 10 reps, then you get 10, and it feels hard at 10.

00:22:43
But if you don't set the expectation, if you're just like, okay.

00:22:46
I'm gonna see how many I can get, then it might be 16.

00:22:48
Might be 18.

00:22:49
It could potentially be 20.

00:22:51
So that's actually a brilliant idea.

00:22:53
I like that a lot.

00:22:53
I'll tell you another one that I like a lot that was that we did kinda by accident last

00:22:58
year.

00:22:58
My lifting partner and myself, we got this, we had this big die at the gym that we used during

00:23:04
classes sometimes.

00:23:05
It was, the way we use it in classes, we would have an exercise assigned to a number, and we

00:23:11
would roll the die.

00:23:12
And that's the you would have to do that exercise.

00:23:15
And then I forget how we would pick the number of reps for the exercise.

00:23:18
Anyway, the way that we used it is we knew what exercises we wanted to do, but instead, we

00:23:24
would roll the die, and that would define how many reps we would do.

00:23:27
Sometimes we would do times 1.

00:23:30
So if we rolled a 2, then it would just be a 2.

00:23:32
But sometimes we would do times 2 or times 3.

00:23:35
So if we rolled a 2, it would be either 4 or 6, depending on if we were multiplying it that

00:23:40
day.

00:23:41
And what I found was there were days where I could do the same weight for twice as many reps

00:23:50
as I did the week before.

00:23:51
For instance, if the week before I did 225 for a set of 6 on bench, the following week, I did

00:23:59
225 for a set of 12 on bench but it's only because in my mind, I had never set the

00:24:04
expectation beforehand.

00:24:06
In other words, for most of my training sessions, I'll write out what I'm gonna do.

00:24:09
So I'm though I'm like, hey.

00:24:10
I know I'm gonna do 3 sets of 10 here, and then I'm gonna do 3 sets of 8 here, and so on and so

00:24:14
forth, and then I can play it in my mind.

00:24:17
When I'm rolling the dye, I don't know what I what I need to pick until the dies cast until

00:24:23
it lands on a number.

00:24:24
And then I'm like, okay.

00:24:25
Well, I gotta do 6.

00:24:26
I have no freaking clue because that last set, I just did 12, and it felt easy.

00:24:30
So then I just throw a weight on.

00:24:32
So, literally, you don't give your mind the opportunity to even catch up to the reps.

00:24:37
Does that make sense?

00:24:38
Yeah.

00:24:38
That's it gamifies it.

00:24:40
It does.

00:24:40
I love I love gamifying.

00:24:42
Yeah.

00:24:42
Exactly.

00:24:43
That's kinda fun.

00:24:44
Yeah.

00:24:45
One thing that I I've I've recently started doing is, you know, I always do time under

00:24:51
tension, but I have been doing a lot of drop sets that then just take things to absolute

00:24:57
fatigue.

00:24:58
So I'll drop it by 10, but usually my last set of what I'm whatever I'm doing, it's a drop set

00:25:05
of, like, 4.

00:25:06
And so you're just going to failure on, like, as you drop at £10.

00:25:11
Another thing that I've seen you know, just in the nature of how people work out and they we

00:25:18
we talked about in our podcast, you know, the idea of, like, heart rate, heart rate

00:25:22
variability and and getting that exposure even when you're in a resistance training scenario.

00:25:27
And, Alfie and I do this all the time, but doing where we're just jumping, we're almost

00:25:34
doing a full body circuit at many many times throughout it and just jumping from, you know,

00:25:39
whatever machine we, that we're we're on.

00:25:43
Right?

00:25:44
And I've seen just getting that type of routine doesn't allow you to grab a phone.

00:25:50
I see so many people sitting down.

00:25:52
They're on bench, but they're on bench for 20 minutes Like, you're still on bench.

00:25:56
I just got done with a complete workout.

00:25:58
Yeah.

00:25:58
And you're still on bench.

00:25:59
So really systematizing it where I'm, like, hitting out body parts, but I'm I'm getting my

00:26:05
HRV and it's fluctuating through the entire time.

00:26:07
It does three things.

00:26:08
The one thing is it's time efficient.

00:26:10
Right?

00:26:10
We're both busy on nor's running multiple businesses.

00:26:12
I have an hour probably tops to work out during the day.

00:26:16
Like, that's what all I got, and it's around lunchtime.

00:26:18
So I have to do as much as I can in that hour.

00:26:20
So when you're super setting and you're you're circuit training, it's just more efficient.

00:26:24
2, it's gonna allow you to get that peripheral hard action where you're pushing from the legs

00:26:28
up to the heart, the hardest to work harder.

00:26:29
And, yes, it's like that lower rest is gonna be more fat burning.

00:26:33
Right?

00:26:33
So you're building muscle burning fat at the same time.

00:26:35
So in my opinion, like, doing circuits, even if it is just like supersets is the most I don't

00:26:41
know.

00:26:41
I think it's the best way to train, just, you know, in

00:26:44
at least in what we do.

00:26:46
But

00:26:47
I'd certainly thought.

00:26:48
I mean, at at the gym at Thriveology, that was the way we programmed.

00:26:52
Was essentially not essentially.

00:26:54
It was full body circuit training, whatever you wanted to find it as, but there was always an

00:26:58
upper body and lower body workout, or exercise together in one group.

00:27:03
In another group, it was 3 or 4 exercises, an upper body, lower body, some sort of core

00:27:08
movement and generally a carry or some form of a ab or core kind of exercise.

00:27:14
So, again, I completely agree.

00:27:17
Most people fall into the belief.

00:27:19
You know, walk into the gym and you kinda look at what everyone else does, and everyone else

00:27:23
is doing arms and back and chest.

00:27:27
And they, like you said, they do an exercise, and now and this pisses me off to no end.

00:27:33
Now, like you said, they sit they sit on their phone.

00:27:35
They do an exercise, and then just look down and get on their phone.

00:27:39
And then put their phone down, put their head up, do the exercise, put their head down, get

00:27:43
on their phone.

00:27:44
And I'm like, what the what are you doing?

00:27:47
Like, my mind cannot even grasp how you think that that's training, how you think that that's

00:27:53
getting better.

00:27:54
Now granted, what you're doing is better than sitting at home and doing nothing.

00:27:57
So I will give you that much, and I cannot take that away from anybody And yet, if your

00:28:04
expectations are that you want to train and be better and you think that that is training and

00:28:09
getting better, then

00:28:10
your effort and your expectations are on 2 different levels.

00:28:10
You just have

00:28:10
to be able to do more.

00:28:17
And so many people believe that they don't have time to get in the gym because they think it

00:28:22
needs to look like that, and you can't get a whole lot done when it looks like that.

00:28:26
But you can get a whole lot done when you're training the way that you guys are talking

00:28:29
about going from a push exercise to a pool exercise from a push exercise to a squat

00:28:34
exercise back and forth like that, not only do you get the time efficiency of it, but, I mean,

00:28:41
you guys have already covered, so I don't need to to completely regurgitate what you said, but

00:28:45
it's a 100% true don't just do what everyone else is doing or don't just do what you've

00:28:49
normally done or don't just do because in 1975, when Arnold came over from Australia, he's the

00:28:56
one that started training back and buys and so on and so forth.

00:28:59
So now everyone else does that.

00:29:01
Like, literally, that's where all of that started.

00:29:04
And so it's literally has just grown since then, and everyone thinks that that's the way

00:29:09
that you trained in the weight room, but it's not even the most effective way to grow muscle.

00:29:13
So you you have to be able to see what is useful for you and then put that into play so

00:29:19
that you can actually get something out of the workout that you're doing.

00:29:23
What's also, like, unrealistic expectations, like, the the pro, you know, the the body

00:29:28
building pros are 1, genetic freaks and 2, on all kinds of stuff.

00:29:33
Right?

00:29:33
And so, like, even no amount of steroids, my genetics, I'm never gonna be like that.

00:29:38
Right?

00:29:38
Like, I'll I'll build a ton of muscle my frame is just longer.

00:29:41
It's more athletic.

00:29:42
Right?

00:29:42
So, like, I'll never be that stocky, like, bull shaped dude like Arnold was.

00:29:47
Right?

00:29:47
That's just his genetics.

00:29:48
And so I think people have to you have to kinda understand that.

00:29:51
But also, it's steroids do a

00:29:53
lot, though.

00:29:53
Steroids do a lot.

00:29:56
A hell of a drug, but I think Chris Cavalini would have a field day with this because most

00:29:59
people are not going to the gym with the mindset that we all do.

00:30:03
Right?

00:30:03
Like, to, like, I wanna, like, optimize myself or I wanna get as as best results as I can.

00:30:08
They're going because they're like, I know it's good for me.

00:30:10
I gotta go to GM.

00:30:12
Yeah.

00:30:12
They're checking boxes, man.

00:30:14
They're like, I I

00:30:14
you know, the doctor said I should work out

00:30:16
3 days a week.

00:30:16
So here I am.

00:30:17
Right?

00:30:17
But, like, it's not it's not necessarily because they are trying to enhance their life.

00:30:22
Right?

00:30:23
They just know it's something that they gotta do.

00:30:25
Right?

00:30:25
Which again is better than nothing, but, you know, like, that's just that mentality of,

00:30:29
like, being average.

00:30:30
That and that's I don't know.

00:30:32
I think that's pretty kind of kind of weak.

00:30:34
I was working out.

00:30:35
You'd talk about, like, body frames too.

00:30:37
Like, I of I think my, you know, the as far as what my frame can probably hold organically,

00:30:43
and it's probably honestly, we have very similar body types, but, probably in the 210 to

00:30:49
215 rain is what I'd like likely can max out at and feel really good, you know, really solid

00:30:54
cardiovascular shape and have a solid muscular structure.

00:30:58
But I was working out with my buddy, so he played for the Kansas City Chiefs.

00:31:03
And we had talked about box checkers.

00:31:05
So he has, like, a little core group of guys that we meet up with, when I go back to

00:31:09
Michigan.

00:31:09
And so I was working out with him, and he has hyper focused workouts now too.

00:31:13
He works.

00:31:14
So we get in the gym, and there was a guy that we see that came in.

00:31:18
And he's like, You know, hey, guys.

00:31:20
He's like, he's wanting in the pack.

00:31:22
Right?

00:31:23
But you can't get in the pack.

00:31:25
You get

00:31:25
just to get in the pack.

00:31:27
And, so, anyways, he comes in and we're we're ripping through our workouts.

00:31:32
So it's a lot of supersets with him.

00:31:34
So we're just super setting everything.

00:31:36
And then we're going over to the next machine.

00:31:38
And I I'm watching him, and it I'm like, the I actually said something to my wife about it.

00:31:44
I'm like, dude, that is such like a box checker mentality because he came in for 20 minutes And

00:31:49
he's he's a big guy now.

00:31:51
I actually went to college with him, so he's not listed as.

00:31:55
But he, he comes in and he, like, he does triceps, hangs out on his phone for a little

00:32:03
bit, tricep hold downs and then did a few other things.

00:32:05
And the next thing we know, we're in the middle of our workout.

00:32:08
He's like, see you guys on Wednesday.

00:32:10
It's like, what?

00:32:12
Like, you were here for 20 minutes.

00:32:14
Like, what did you possibly do?

00:32:15
So It was it that that is, like, that box checker mentality is a lot of people just don't

00:32:21
come in with the proper planning.

00:32:23
That's what I love about, like, what you were doing at Thrivology and building the community

00:32:28
and the pack around it is, like, when they're stepping into it, they're stepping in, hey,

00:32:34
with the mindset, and maybe wake up at waking up in the morning or and I'm doing an afternoon

00:32:38
class.

00:32:39
And those are my people that aren't counting on me, but they're counting on me at the same

00:32:44
time.

00:32:45
So I love the idea of, of just the good wolf and the pack mentality that you created there

00:32:50
and you're continually creating, but talk to us a little bit about the good wolf Academy, what

00:32:56
you have in kind of future and in store for that.

00:32:59
As well as the podcast.

00:33:01
Yeah.

00:33:01
So like I said with the, well, let me back up because I'm it's gonna be stuck in the back of

00:33:07
my mind.

00:33:07
And unless I get it out, it's just gonna kinda sit there.

00:33:09
No.

00:33:09
There it is.

00:33:11
No.

00:33:11
I completely agree.

00:33:12
I think what you need to ask yourself is what do you wanna get out of your time in the gym?

00:33:16
And that's the most important question.

00:33:17
And if your if your answer is, hey.

00:33:19
I just wanna go and check boxes, then cool.

00:33:21
Great.

00:33:21
Like, by no means am I gonna judge you?

00:33:24
Because, again, you're it's better than sitting at home and doing nothing.

00:33:28
A 100%.

00:33:28
That's always gonna be the answer.

00:33:30
But if your answer is, you know, I'm hoping to get some results out of it, then you need to

00:33:35
you need to go in with different expectations of your effort, and you need to constantly be

00:33:40
checking your effort.

00:33:41
So I think it's just

00:33:42
important to ask yourself constantly is my effort matching matching the expectations that

00:33:42
I have of my efforts in the gym of what I wanna get out

00:33:42
of the gym.

00:33:42
And that's that's just, I think, a very important question constantly ask yourself.

00:33:57
So, but to go back to your question, I knew that once I got out of Thryvology, once that

00:34:03
was out out of the way, I don't mean out of the way in a in goodness way, but, you know, once I

00:34:08
moved on and, and stayed with the the podcast and everything.

00:34:12
I know that I wanna build off of the podcast.

00:34:13
So my goal is con continuously build the brand and off of the brand is a personal development,

00:34:23
e learning platform and coaching platform, GoToF Academy, that helps people in many

00:34:28
different, layers, if you will.

00:34:30
Right now, it's just me literally individualize coaching with people, individualized packages

00:34:36
that help them build their mental resilience and their physical resilience together, but

00:34:40
it'll expand out into other things that I'm,

00:34:40
you know, I'm currently building a project that I'll be launching hopefully in 2

00:34:41
weeks by the end of the month.

00:34:50
Which I'm super excited about.

00:34:51
It's just a basic productivity project, which sounds basic, but most people have trouble with

00:34:57
their time.

00:34:57
That's the number one excuse that most people have is, oh, I don't have the time with things.

00:35:01
So if you can literally figure out where to find time, and everyone can do it no matter if

00:35:05
you have 7 kids, which one of our members at the gym, literally had 7 children, and she

00:35:10
would come to the gym 3 days a week.

00:35:11
Their kids were all homeschooled as well.

00:35:14
So, if she can homeschool 7 killed kids and she can come to the gym 3 days a week, I don't

00:35:20
think that many of us can have a an excuse, even us entrepreneurs.

00:35:24
I don't have any kids, but, again, I looked at her and I'm like, girl, I just I wanna bow at

00:35:29
your feet every time you walk in the door.

00:35:30
But any rate, productivity is just one thing a lot of us could get much better at.

00:35:35
So I'm building something for that to help people get out of their own way so that they

00:35:39
can start to implement the things in their life that they want.

00:35:42
So, you know, I have this vision of just a couple of different brands built off of the

00:35:46
podcast, and I know it's gonna take time.

00:35:50
So patience is something that I have been building in myself over these last 6 to 9

00:35:56
months as, as that progresses.

00:35:58
But right now, it's just trying to get as many eyes on on on eyes and ears on the content as

00:36:06
possible.

00:36:07
And, and that's where it's at, brother.

00:36:10
That's awesome.

00:36:10
Yeah.

00:36:11
I would I would love to to absorb some of that info too on that productivity thing you're on.

00:36:15
So keep me posted on

00:36:16
that.

00:36:16
Sure.

00:36:17
Because that's, man, I, like, ADHD is, like, the one thing that I I have to use as a power

00:36:21
versus, like, let it, like, hold me back, but it's like, I gotta be time regimented all day

00:36:26
long, or else, like, I'm doing nothing.

00:36:28
Like, my brain is like chasing butterflies, you know.

00:36:31
So, I love that man, and and I think a lot of people will benefit from that.

00:36:34
That's awesome.

00:36:36
Yeah.

00:36:37
It's definitely something that, like I said, considering we

00:36:39
have literally thousands of things thrown at

00:36:39
us throughout the day, We have so many opportunities to pay attention to other things.

00:36:47
And our attention is being literally pulled in a 1000 different directions at any moment.

00:36:52
We have to say

00:36:53
no to a million things in one moment at a time.

00:36:53
We can only do one thing at a time, so we literally have to teach ourselves to say no to

00:37:00
things, and it starts by, I think we talked about this as well, taking off the brakes.

00:37:05
And that means letting go of some things and just saying, hey.

00:37:08
These are just things that I'm just either never gonna pay attention to or for now, I'm

00:37:11
not gonna pay attention to.

00:37:13
So that I can focus on the things that I say are important to me.

00:37:17
I think saying no is huge.

00:37:18
You know, we've talked about that all the time.

00:37:20
It's like, I used to over commit, just wanna please everybody, do all these things, say yes,

00:37:25
yes, yes, and you just it's not that's not healthy, man.

00:37:28
You end up over committing to too many things.

00:37:30
So saying no is superpower.

00:37:32
And then just being dialed in on the main things.

00:37:34
Right?

00:37:34
Like, what are the top 3 to 5, like, tasks, right, that you gotta knock out?

00:37:38
So,

00:37:39
yeah.

00:37:39
Yeah.

00:37:39
I actually mentioned something on, on my Facebook feed the other day of some question

00:37:44
you asked me.

00:37:45
And then, you know, what do I say no to?

00:37:47
And I had mentioned that I say no to alcohol now, and it's just not something that I have in

00:37:52
my repertoire.

00:37:53
You should have seen the comments on I need that.

00:37:56
Which is like me too.

00:37:57
Me too.

00:37:59
One guy's like, I gave him cocaine in 1990.

00:38:02
People never do cocaine.

00:38:05
So That's right.

00:38:06
Good.

00:38:06
So funny.

00:38:07
So funny ones too, but as we wrap this up, you know, I always wanna, you know, leave our

00:38:13
listeners with something to think about.

00:38:15
Obviously, you were focusing on the mindset piece, the physicality piece as well, but know,

00:38:22
what advice would you give someone who is just starting their personal development journey,

00:38:26
and maybe feels a little bit overwhelmed right now?

00:38:30
Oh, that's a tough one.

00:38:32
Here's what here's what I'll say.

00:38:35
Anytime you see a Norman society question it.

00:38:40
When you see people that are unhealthy and you're like, oh, well, everyone's unhealthy,

00:38:44
question it.

00:38:45
Is it normal to be unhealthy, or is it just that it is the Norman Society?

00:38:49
When people tell you that doing and running your own business is hard and risky, and

00:38:55
there's a high likelihood that you'll fail.

00:38:57
And you look around and everyone else's unhappy and unfulfilled, and and they're all living you

00:39:04
know, working at a corporate job, working in a place where they complain about their work all

00:39:09
day long, you go, well, is that normal?

00:39:12
Is that something that I have to do?

00:39:14
So I would say it's literally just starting to question things.

00:39:17
Starting to question not only what other people are saying and doing, but also some of the

00:39:22
things that you believe because we're all, we all have beliefs built into us, some sometimes

00:39:29
buyer you know, other people around us, actually always buy other people around us, but

00:39:33
mostly it comes from our parents.

00:39:35
And even though our parents love us and care about us and they want what's best for us, it

00:39:39
doesn't mean that they have done things in the best and the most effective way possible.

00:39:46
So you have to question also the beliefs that they built into you about how the world works

00:39:50
and what you're capable of.

00:39:51
So I think it just starts with that questioning your thoughts and questioning what people the

00:39:58
outcomes of other people's lives.

00:40:01
That's gold.

00:40:02
That is gold.

00:40:02
Yeah.

00:40:03
That is so good.

00:40:04
You know, I was listening to something on Ed might let, just recently.

00:40:08
He had mentioned something about this and that we do have to really understand and look at a

00:40:14
level, you know, sometimes a level of curiosity.

00:40:16
I I had to look at it from my parent's standpoint of, like, what what is it?

00:40:20
What does success look like?

00:40:22
Right?

00:40:22
And so as I perceive the world around me, when a parent says you can be whatever you wanna be

00:40:28
because we tell that to our kids.

00:40:29
Right?

00:40:30
You can be whatever you wanna be.

00:40:31
Right?

00:40:32
You are the world's greatest.

00:40:33
And then but, like, but mom, dad, like, you you did are you Are are you happy?

00:40:39
Are you doing what you wanna be?

00:40:42
And, you know, in the definition of the world I success, I had, like, I had to look back.

00:40:46
I reflected this morning on the way over here to this podcast of, like, My actually my

00:40:51
parents did a pretty darn good job because I honestly could say that, like, my dad, my dad

00:40:57
lived out his dream.

00:40:57
Yeah.

00:40:58
He was a school teacher.

00:40:59
They didn't make a ton of money.

00:41:00
We were a very middle class family.

00:41:02
My mom was, like, a Christian school education teacher.

00:41:05
She was reading specialist.

00:41:07
She taught kids how to read that completely changed their life.

00:41:10
And my dad was a high school teacher that, like, was a basketball coach for 40 years.

00:41:15
That's what he absolutely loved and, like, what made him happy.

00:41:19
And I was like, at there's different versions of success.

00:41:22
Right?

00:41:22
We wanna always put, like, a dollar amount on it.

00:41:25
We were a middle class family, but if I had to look back, I'm like, man, yeah, my parents were

00:41:29
happy and they were doing what they actually wanted to do.

00:41:33
And it just, like, in the perception of the world, it was like, man, they didn't get to

00:41:37
that pinnacle of success per se.

00:41:40
But I was like, thank you god.

00:41:41
Like, I was like, thank you.

00:41:42
Thank you for putting those parents in my life that actually showed success and did what they

00:41:47
wanted to do, right, for you know, 30 40 years of school teaching and a basketball coaching.

00:41:51
So that was something that I had to reflect.

00:41:54
And I know everyone doesn't get that, but sometimes you gotta, you know, contrast that

00:41:58
of, hey.

00:41:59
Look.

00:41:59
Exactly what you're saying.

00:42:00
Like, I'm gonna you know, mom, dad, are you truly I gotta figure this out myself.

00:42:07
Most definitely.

00:42:08
And I like I love that.

00:42:10
That's a great example, by the way, because, I mean, every every definition of success is

00:42:16
different.

00:42:16
And I think Again, we take on other people's definitions of success for good and for bad.

00:42:24
For good because, you know, we look at a number amount and we're like, while a number amount

00:42:30
can be useful because you can do more things with more money, which is definitely true.

00:42:35
And at to a an extent, it can make you more fulfilled to an extent if you use it correctly.

00:42:41
But do you have to do that?

00:42:42
Well, no.

00:42:43
Of course not.

00:42:44
If teaching is what you're passionate about, then be a great teacher.

00:42:48
If helping kids read is what you're passionate about, then help kids read to the best of your

00:42:52
ability in by all means, that will bring you fulfillment.

00:42:55
That will bring you happiness.

00:42:56
The point is just to question, just to ask.

00:42:59
What is it?

00:43:00
What is the thing that makes me happy and what does success look like to me?

00:43:05
Love that.

00:43:06
And and kind of going back to what you had said about the whole, like, normal thing.

00:43:09
Right?

00:43:09
It's like, I I tell patients this all the time and they're like, oh, you know, I think I'm

00:43:13
just getting old.

00:43:13
It's normal to have this joint pain or, oh, you're gonna get fat.

00:43:16
It's normal.

00:43:17
It's like,

00:43:17
no.

00:43:18
It's not normal.

00:43:18
It's common.

00:43:19
It's very common.

00:43:20
But that doesn't mean it's normal physiologically.

00:43:22
Right?

00:43:22
That is not how humans should age.

00:43:24
So just to leave everybody with that.

00:43:27
I'm gonna ask you one

00:43:27
more question, man, and we ask all our guests.

00:43:30
You know, our podcast is called full fueled.

00:43:32
We talk about living a full fueled life.

00:43:34
What does that look like to you, man?

00:43:36
I think it is being your best physically while reaching a level of fulfillment that most

00:43:45
people aren't able to reach in their life.

00:43:49
How do you build your best from

00:43:51
a physical standpoint, which I believe is the foundation of the rest of it?

00:43:51
If you build your foundation, if you build your physical foundation, then you

00:43:51
can then take that and transfer that into other areas of your your life.

00:44:03
Because like we talked about at the beginning of this, physical is the best way to build

00:44:08
mental resilience.

00:44:08
It's the best way to build mental belief in yourself, self confidence, self belief, self

00:44:08
respect, and all of those things which then transfers into all areas of your life.

00:44:19
So build that foundation and then let that dissipate out into all the other areas of your

00:44:24
life.

00:44:25
And there's a very damn good chance that you'll find that level of film that that you're

00:44:29
looking for.

00:44:30
Hey, man.

00:44:31
That's beautiful.

00:44:32
That was beautiful.

00:44:32
Well, Jerry, thank you so much for coming out the podcast, man.

00:44:35
It's been a real pleasure.

00:44:36
Real quick.

00:44:36
Tell our listeners where they can learn more about you.

00:44:39
Yeah.

00:44:39
You know, Instagram website, your projects, all that stuff, man.

00:44:43
Yeah.

00:44:43
For sure.

00:44:44
So Instagram is at Jerry Scarlado as our all the other platforms, whatever that looks like

00:44:48
to you.

00:44:48
And then the website for the podcast is good wolf project dot us you can find the episodes

00:44:58
all there.

00:44:58
You can also put that into any podcast, you know, engine and find it there as well, but,

00:45:05
you know, I got a couple extra things on the website for you to, to download.

00:45:09
If you wanna go there, put your email in, and get some free stuff, which is always fun.

00:45:13
Awesome.

00:45:14
We'll make sure to put that in the show notes.

00:45:16
Yes, sir.

00:45:17
People, Jerry Scarlado.

00:45:18
Thank you so much, brother.

00:45:20
Appreciate you guys.

00:45:22
Welcome to the full field pass can.

00:45:25
So I'm gonna set what the new normal looks like in my life.

00:45:27
You're not limited by your genetic.

00:45:29
You have all the super power

00:45:31
that is lifted people out.

00:45:32
So, unfortunately, most businesses aren't gonna use the highest quality ingredients.

00:45:36
Your approach.

00:45:37
Jack.

00:45:38
I know he's Jack.

00:45:39
That's why I'm asking him.

00:45:39
I'm leaving.

00:45:40
I don't think he left.

00:45:41
Yeah.

00:45:41
Consistency in everything that we do that really compound.

00:45:45
Only way we're gonna get the word out is with you, lift full fuel, limit, baby.